Im gonna answer that question with your own point of view:
You made a deal of the sex of the dead burglar, not I.
I’m not comparing rape to home invasion. I’m using your logic/excuse, in that it is flawed and the fact that the example irked you, means you know it’s a flawed excuse.
And I won’t agree to anything other than I don’t fault him for killing someone. I wont get into the legalities of what that action will be classified as, it’s not important since he isn’t charged with anything (to my knowledge). Don’t convince me to think like you, but you can try to convince me with logic that the “struggle” is an excuse for someone to get away with “home invasion” and that he shouldn’t have killed her.
Mostly that your argument is one of revenge, not justice or self-defense.
As for me, the old man killed a woman. This is not acceptable, the circumstances permitting him to defend his life and property had passed. Citizens cannot take justice into their own hands. Now his claim that he would be robbed again is fuzzy logic, but without knowing more information I’m going to assume that the extreme duress he was under when he made that decision made things happen as they did. This leaves the assumption that he was not acting for a citizen carrying out justice, but still acting for self-defense, so his motives are clear.
I have no idea how California law works so I’m not sure what sentence a judge would hand down with the above opinion. If I was making the rules, I’d say house arrest is appropriate, but at the same time like many have said in this thread, it wouldn’t bug me at all if he got nothing at all.
Only an impartial party can really be said to dispense justice impartially without resorting to revenge. I don’t want to live in a society where people like you make arguments that amount to “look the two wrongs were proportionate so it all works out”.
Nobody is impartial, no matter how much a judge tells you to be. As much as I want the law to be actually black & white, I know that it isn’t and will never be.
people didnt read that he chased them down and murdered her away from his house
people are really sadistic and think robbery and assault makes you judge and jury. if he shot them in his house then yeah, good job. but he followed them after he wasn’t in immediate danger and executed a person. thats a crime as much as robbery and assault(actually its much worse)
Yes, the first one is fuzzy and does not warrant a death. The rest aren’t. The rest is justification for death only in a “two wrongs make a right so let’s get killing” argument.
I don’t get this… What if they’re on their way out? Like, they’re running, but still in the house and he shoots them. He’s not in immediate danger, right? However, he’s justified because they’re still in his house? That makes zero sense. You guys are making this an issue of where he killed her, not the fact that he killed her or the situation he was in. All you’re saying is it’s ok if he kills her inside his house, even if she’s begging, but not if it’s outside. Is this really about right and wrong, or is it about the flawed ass law?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Killing is wrong no matter how you look at it…It’s never “good.” However, there are times when it’s warranted or justified.
She should have lived because she was not an imminent threat to the shooter. When someone is no longer a threat to you self defense no longer applies. What the man did was murder.
The fact she was pregnant is ultimately beside the point. If anyone, pregnant woman or otherwise, is attacking me or my family I will defend myself with appropriate force. If that resulted in the death of an innocent unborn child it would be a tragedy, but I would also feel that the mother is responsible for putting herself and her child into that situation.
Motherhood entails a host of responsibilities, and part of that is recognizing that your well being is interconnected with that of your unborn child. Children inherit the consequences of their parents’ actions all the time.
If a pregnant woman did need to die, perhaps from the death penalty or a hostage situation, I think most would agree that saving the child should be a principle concern. But it’s not a license to do whatever you want without consequence.
1WTF DO WOMEN HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?? it was a person begging for their life, it just so happens that this person said she was pregnant…sooooo fuckit i guess. 2 for the price of one?
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3 are you really comparing rape to home invasion?? really?? well maybe if they raped this old man i can see he killing them…and it would make this alot more interesting.
4 This wasnt even armed robbery. it was home invasion.
breaking & entering = 45 days in jail and 6 months probation
California has two sets of guidelines for first degree armed robbery. If the crime was committed with more than one person and within a home or inhabited building, the sentence range is three to nine years in state prison. Otherwise, the range is three to six years
5 agreed, shes dead and thats all their is to that. this man took the law into his hands as he saw fit. all that we’re talking about here is if he should be punished, I feel the answer is yes.
let me clarify, Im not trying to see this guy spend what little time he has left behind bars, but he clearly has committed aggravated murder. can we at least agree on that??
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what is it with people like you who cannot I derstand this was a “heat of the moment” thing. its not what you keep calling it, you are assuming people are rational when angry and have juat been attacked. its why the law is grey in these instances.
Dude, she was just Glinda’s patsy. Dorothy didn’t even know what the hell was going on. Glinda probably airbent the house right on top of the WWOTE. That aim was too good to be a random event.
yeah i have a mother, and she doesn’t go around beating up old people and robbing them. and we were very poor growing up as immigrants so stfu about facing struggles. smh liberals making excuses for scumbag criminals. apparently the dude had been targeted for robbery multiple times. so if he had indeed let her go, she would most likely have returned, better armed and better prepared. quite possibly would have murdered him the fourth time around too, because obviously these people are vile.
let me ask you this: do YOU have a mother? what if she returned home to a couple robbing her home, and they beat her up? and she goes to grab her gun, in fear of her life, chases one of the perps down and eliminates the threat? you’d want her to face jail time over this? you are a seriously disturbed individual. liberals need to have less empathy for the dregs of society and more empathy for people who don’t assault others. reminds me of those stories i hear (hopefully apocryphal) about robbers who injure themselves burglarizing someones home and then suing the victims and winning.
No…but based on those pics, I’d say 20-30%. But it really depends on the girl and how she carries herself.
I bought an exercise mat so I can work out in the morning, when I get home in the afternoon, and before I go to bed in the evening. Weather permitting I’ll run usually 2-3 times a week. I do my best to keep in decent shape, so I expect my partner to do the same.
For me weight management is like personal grooming. You should take care of yourself and be healthy, which is a personality type I can appreciate. On a more shallow level it’s also far more sexy. I find large people pretty gross on an aesthetic level. Nothing against people who like that, but it’s not for me.
I for one am glad that old man smoked that woman. He killed her in cold blood just the same as he would have if she was a man. Old man shot her after she said she was pregnant, that is STONE FUCKING COLD! If anything, this is a victory for women’s rights.
Fuckin’ dead @ Airbending the house. Damn.