I guess I’m just like this old man. I wouldn’t care to spare any unborn child of a scumbaguette and gladly pull the trigger. You people are just soft. These perps deserved to be hanged and the old man should be given a medal from the mayor or the president.
I’m usually thrilled to see stories like this, where a home invasion goes as wrong as possible for the criminal… but unfortunately the guy obviously stepped into some “questionable” legal territory once they were off his property. He should’ve made sure to kill them while they were still in the house, or at least in his yard…get the bastards before they escape, y’know…then the law is still perfectly on your side, unless you happen to live in one of those pussy ass states with no “Castle Doctrine” law in place.
I think the tone of this thread is more a combination of the fact that these were two deadbeat drug addicts who have robbed an innocent old man four times, injured him, and he had simply had enough. To top it off, the woman’s last act is to lie like a scumbag. I’m not going to reread the thread, but I don’t think anybody wants them to die out of vengeance or something. From a moral perspective, we just don’t care that she died, that’s all. You also might be mixing up the moral arguments with the legal arguments. Most people here agree that the fact that she made it to the alley makes things pretty fuzzy, legally. Only way the legal system might side with the old man would be because he was injured, victimized several times over, and was in an incredibly difficult situation.
Hell yeah…he’s doing a better job of controlling crime than the police are. I’ll bet even though he’s a golden oldie, that he has Disturbed’s Indestructible on whatever he uses to listen to music.
What this guy did is far more appropriate than any ‘justice’ the courts would dole out.
There’s one less thieving piece of trash in the world.
sue or marry and then divorce, same result!
I do agree that this guys anger and fear got the better of him during the heat of the moment. What he did was wrong, but I’m not sure if I can really blame the guy…
Haha, served that bitch right!
I knew her lying, thieving ass wasn’t pregnant… Doesn’t change anything anyway.
Disgusting. I hope he’s charged, regardless of what happened to him she did not deserve to lose her life.
I understand the argument that given he was just attacked, and considering his age, his actions might not have been all that rational, however he doesn’t seem at all remorseful. If he wanted justice, it seemed like he had every opportunity to take that after he shot her the first time, I can’t imagine she would have gone far.
Personally I still think it’s murder, even if she deserved it and won’t be missed, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere, when you are talking about life and death you shouldn’t have grey areas.
The ramifications of him not doing anything could have been more severe like someone pointed out earlier, they could come back that night with weapons, anyone that has been a victim of a robbery will tell you it’s not something you get over psychologically quickly, especially when it’s your own home.
Crazy thought, because the update proves how much of a scumbag she was, imagine what would have happened if a random stranger was in that ally and she told him someone was trying to kill her. The old man with all his rage probably would have capped anybody who stood in his way.
says the sheltered little boy.
getting robbed puts you in a serious rage. It’s really hard to contain. Plus you dont mess with old men. Many are war veterans who have experienced some crazy ish that many will never know anything about.
The interesting thing is that there is never any safe-zone. Anyone can get shot anywhere but, again, once they were off his property he doesn’t get self-defense unless they’re whooping his ass, or preparing to whoop his ass. I mean shit, once they were running down that alley, he didn’t even have to give chase. He could have just let off a couple rounds in the sky and they would have kept running. I think I can safely speak for 100% of the currently mentally healthy population of the world when I say that no one wants to get shot if they can avoid it by running away from the point of origin of the bullets.
I mean, obviously I understand the stress response and how it affected him, but stress response doesn’t hold up against the law, b. I’m not saying what homie did was inherently wrong, but that he WILL be charged with Murder 2 or Voluntary Manslaughter. There’s just no getting around it.
I like the way you made the statement as if he’s getting away with something; for however long he has left on this earth I’m sure he’ll be thinking about that attack for quite sometime and he has the broken bones as a reminder. The judge could be extremely lenient and let him off the hook because of mitigating circumstances. It’s amazing how many people are siding with the attackers…you don’t get a timeout because you’re not on someone’s property any longer and that woman didn’t get a do-over.
Nobody should blink an eye if he does get off because we have enough these type of rulings go opposite way.
(Ugh. I swear I always miss a damn typo or two even when I proofread multiple times.)
To further what Will_Diesel said, again, just because they could charge him with something, doesn’t mean they will. Between the mitigating circumstances, including the broken bones he sustained, and his rather old age, it’s entirely possible they won’t charge him even if they do deem what he did as a crime, which it probably technically is under California law.
Even if they do charge him with something, it doesn’t mean he’ll be found guilty, especially since people haven’t been found guilty in cases way more egregiously “in the wrong” than this. See: O. J. Simpson, Casey Anthony, that stupid fucking “affluenza” case, etc.
I have to wonder: Do the people who want to see him charged just want to see him charged so they’re feel validated that, yes, what he did was a crime all things considered regardless of what it goes to trial or gets a verdict? Or do they actually want to see him be found guilty of the “crime” he actually committed so he’ll be sent to jail or otherwise “punished”?
While I can understand some people in here being sincerely anti-killing in this and most–maybe even all–other circumstances, I’m not really understanding why some (other) people seem so dead-set on him being found guilty and jailed despite his age. I mean, it’s not like old people should automatically become immune to being incarcerated, but this case isn’t really that clear cut even if you don’t like what he did. This isn’t like that old asshole in Texas who went to his (white) neighbor’s raucous party, provoked him while waving a gun around and then shot him while trying to claim stand your ground. Similarly, this isn’t like that other old ass who shot someone in a movie theater for talking on the phone (to his daughter’s babysitter) before the movie and then tried to claim self-defense even though the hypocrite was also talking on the phone.
What do people who think the old man committed a crime actually want to happen to the old man here? I’m genuinely curious.
You “shouldn’t”, but you do. As much as most people find comfort in absolutist dichotomies of “good and evil”, “right and wrong” and, even more loaded, “black and white”, the world’s mostly full of “gray”/“grey” areas. Almost nothing but, really.
After all, why else would something as shitty as 50 Shades of Gray be so successful? [/requisite bad joke]
This is why I understand why he shot her. I’m not saying it’s not technically a crime, at least in California, but given they had assaulted and injured him rather significantly before fleeing, yeah…
I’d being arguing on the he “should be jailed” side if they had just straight-up fled as soon as they realized someone else was in the house without assaulting him and he chased them and gunned one or both of them down, but that’s not what happened. (Not that I’m saying that’s what you’re arguing; I’m just clarifying my position.)
That’s entirely possible, especially since way too many people are easily manipulated by women even if they’re obviously lying. After all, it’s common enough that it’s nicknamed “white-knighting”; The Dulcinea Effect is arguably the pretty much the same thing for mostly the same reasons. (Warning: TVTropes.)
I’d say if that happened, then the old guy would have still been justified in “capping” that person if they attacked him like an idiot while trying to come to the woman’s aid since way too many people think that defending someone means to automatically try to start swinging or pulling a weapon. This even if that would have been unfortunate since sir knight would have been otherwise not involved. Ironically, that scenario would be pretty clear-cut self-defense under even California law despite the “rescuer” having not been in on the break-in, robbery and initial assault and otherwise just having been an “innocent” bystander/passer-by until being manipulated.
That said, it’s pretty pointless to speculate this since we’ll never know. Given we’ll never know, I’d argue that it’s equally possible that someone else showing up would have helped the old man calm down and wait for the police since then that’s someone else who isn’t injured, in pain and angry to make sure the woman didn’t escape or pull a weapon or attack him again.
All things considered, given all the things that “could have” happened, we should just be thankful no one else did get shot; well, outside of maybe her male accomplice, but meh.
Ahem
Well I guess her late term abortion finally was granted.
Just in the interest of actually showing the layout, since I was curious, heres a link to where this happened (on this street, might not be that particular house its centered on)
I had this image of an alley around the corner from his house he chased her to; it seems the alley was literally up against his back yard, so he probably just barely went out his back porch when he shot her.
Also, fun fact, this neighborhood is pretty upscale (which Im sure is why it was targeted), but also where the local urban legend “Midget Town” was. Way too much time in my youth was spent driving through here trying to find midget town. People said it was the gated area right behind where this guys house is, and if you jumped the fence, they’d chase you out with shovels and shit lol
This isn’t the wild west, you don’t shoot a round into the air in a urban setting. i swear the shit that comes out of some folk’s mouth is just ridiculous.
I remember looking for it once, after some half midget told me about it. Said that he wasn’t “short” enough to be allowed into the community (He was 4’ 10" ish). God damn urban myths,
that actually happened. they climbed from the balcony and robbed also the apartment above us.
fortunately we were all asleep. Or probably they used those sleeping sprays.
I cant imagine what would happen if one of us woke up at that time.
A gun nowadays is cheaper to get than a knive…
they stole some money or whatever they could find in the living room.
they can gladly take it…