SFV Lounge: Season 4 is almost upon us, hide your mains

Yeah, I think it’s a big issue that Capcom has to grapple with…buffing for the CPT vs. online play. Like, take Bison, he’s probably in a good spot at the pro level, even still Problem X had to sub in Abi for some matchups in order to win EVO. He gets any buffs though and people are outraged because he demolishes everyone and their mothers online.

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I’d leave him.

Menat and guile are too strong.

Bisons actually the top tier you want probably.

Take it from a super duper scrub getting diamond is gonna give you gray hair.

I’m so fucking jelly of his skill in not gonna even front.

Menat’s not even winning anything though :disappointed_relieved:

Crouch mk is the only one that feels bad to me considering the range on those buttons. Look around at similar buttons on the other big body characters

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Oh Sagat definitely needs better jump ins. He gets AAed by anything. Just pick a waist high button and it probably will AA Sagat. Jump roundhouse has amazing range but everything else is crap.

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Sako and Infil have won quite a bit with her. EVO Japan, multiple premiers… that said I’d just make her VT1 3 bars and call it a day. Don’t really want to see her nerfed that much.

@Evil_Canadian You need to step your game up fam? When we going to get epic Simian intros?

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It’s kinda counter intuitive to have big normals to stop incoming attacks that can be jumped on.

You know what would be funny, new and a cool feature? If they implemented controller sounds. With this you would be able to hear your opponents mashing. Sounds crazy but think about it lol I’m telling you wake up supers would drop by 10%

Which doesn’t really mean anything. There’s a reason Dhalsim is never top tier.

Menat is basically op Dhalsim with a SF5 trigger.

Funny enough, I think Menat would be fine if it wasn’t for her Trigger.

S4 I expect it to be 3 bars.

If sim had better Triggers or anything close to menat he would have a way better chance in the mid to high mid tier rank.

S4 predictions

Characters that are top that I don’t think are going to get touched much but slightly nerfed.

Cammy, Menat, Akuma

Characters that are top that won’t get nerfed at all

Ibuki

Characs that will get significant nerfs

Guile

Low tier character that will get over buffed.

Gief

Broly now has better armor than Gief. The hilarity continues.

Unless his SFIV j.MP comes back I don’t see Sagat’s jump ins getting much better. He’s never been much of a jump in character any way. They nerfed the really OP Vanilla j.MP and most of his other jump normals are basically just for taking up space or getting a cross up/safe jump with j.LK if he gets in that range. Otherwise he’s just meant to be more of a grounded wall character with one long jump normal to keep people in check.

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Buffing the ground normals would do way more for his play style. If you’ve played Sagat over history he becomes top tier over really great ground buttons or really great shots plus great buttons. This game he has shots and a solid s.LK, but not much else so eventually people are going to get through the shots and the s.LK. His pressure is very obvious to deal with and doesn’t really have any body hurl shit like his old EX tiger knee or ST knees to force pressure when he needs to.

Like you can’t be ok with 10 frame c.MK with a character that’s always been designed to be tanky longer ranged shoto. Big body grappler types can traditionally deal with less scary low buttons as they have other things like command grabs to open you up. Birdie don’t really need strong lows, but between his c.LK and his sweep he has better lows than Sagat any way. Same with Abi who has a completely better set of lows. Abigail’s c.MK may be even slower than Sagat’s, but it has crazy range and one hit confirms into really good shit.

Should at minimum at least pray for better grounded medium and heavy buttons for Sagat. I think they did his light buttons fine as strong light buttons is one of the cornerstones of strong Sagat, but with those fair ass medium and heavy buttons you’re back to deal with the same stuff that people complain about with Ryu. All of those medium and heavy normals need at least a buff in start up frames or even hit box. Guile out here with 7 frame c.mk and 7 frame double hitting/CCing sweep.

If his medium and heavy buttons don’t get real buffs going into S4 the woe is me Sagat stuff will continue and for good reason. His normals would be fine if the game only had the bottom 15 characters in it, but against this top stuff it’s not gonna cut it. He has the best s.LK he’s had since Vanilla, just need the other stuff buffed to work with it.

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Cody buffs need to sort out his bad fireball that’s near useless in neutral and his normal pushback so he can compensate for having terrible walkspeed during blockstrings.

Sagat needs like every normal speeding up, his specials are good as they are. VT1 needs taking down to 2 bars. Fireball could use 10 more damage so he ends rounds faster.

Sakura needs oki from her combo enders, it’s a joke she can’t get anything midscreen. Cr.mk range needs extending, hitstun needs increasing so HP.DP connects in it’s delay cancel frames. EX.DP and regular DP should have a VT cancel. Her st.mp needs less pushback or more range.

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maybe when im a millionaire like max

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Honestly I’d love Sakura to put you into lots of plus loops involving tatsu.

I’m sick of bison and Rashid running that show.

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I am almost 40. I will get grey hair out of old age before SFV ranked does. :stuck_out_tongue:

They should never have removed LK tatsus active frame count.

You should be able to make lk tatsu meaty for +2

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