I’ve played overwatch, halo and COD competitively. I regularly hit master and can get challenger depending on how much I grind in league of legends. I believe you can grind reaction in any medium and it sure as hell ain’t a gate keeper in SFV.
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And different SF games test different values. SF4 tested your execution. 3S tested your ability to predict the opponent rather than rely on hard numbers. Alpha 2 tested your spacing thanks to the Valle CC.
Yeah, you can argue that SFV is technically the only one that tests actual physical ability granted at birth…but then you see guys like Sako who have NEVER relied on reactions winning tourneys. Hell, SFV honestly should be the anti-thesis of everything Sako is about. Strict reactions and the elimination of high execution. High Execution Characters were usually where he shined because he had a level of execution that was unmatched, so he could take characters of the sort to the highest level possible. The closest he can do that is with Menat (who he obviously does Main) and even then he’s not unparalleled with her compared to his VSav BB Hood or some of the shit he was getting up to in SFIV. He still found a way to not only be good, but become excellent.
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Science doesn’t support what you believe. Reactions are set in stone for the most part. What you THINK is happening like your reactions getting better is a fallacy.
What’s actually happening is when you pay a new game your reactions are rarely hitting the upward echelon of their higher end. You have to practice and get to know the game to do that. But that’s not your upper echelon reactions getting better, that’s just your ingame reactions starting to be able to keep up with what you were always capable of.
A difference lots of people don’t see, when they think their reactions “got better after practice”
Generally speaking if you spend a month grinding some reactive thing, and see no progress it’s more than likely outside of your talent threshold.
Or go and look at the above cs go video of 3 different veteran players and tell me that that ropz guy doesn’t have a clear reactive advantage over Kugo.
Post your scientific findings that you can’t get better reactions times. Otherwise you’re spouting bullshit.
And gtfo with the genetics advantage bs. That’s some pathetic reaching when so many different factors go into who comes out on top. Sounds like projecting your own deficiencies.
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You’re just shitting on the hard work people do to give yourself an out.
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It’s i provable but only about 10-20% and your focus falls off when doing so.
You can’t get gains without sacrificing something so the player with higher general reactionary talent will always be further ahead. I’m not shitting on anyone, I’m just calling a spade a spade.
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Also, that video just shows what I already talked about. Your latent reaction time will rarely get better. It’s just that you aren’t yet moving at your fastest reaction.
There are ways to noticeably improve your reaction time, but I was banned from another forum when I brought it up.
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No you’re just full of shit.
Reactions aren’t just based on genetics. Exercise, diet, caffeine consumption, medication, sleep, practice, etc all are a factor.
How the you going to talk about science spewing this stupidity?
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I’m not believing anyone until I start seeing peer reviewed articles from scientific journals.
Even pros in games that need more reactions than SFV say reactions aren’t the highest priority if you want to be competitive.
sigh Where’s my fake glasses and lab coat when I need them?
You probably don’t read but I already said that there were other factors like sleep. But we aren’t stating the overly obvious here. You are failing to understand a very basic concept.
I feel like people with higher end reactions get highly emotional over the subject because they think I’m trying to take away their accomplishments which is weird when punk is probably the most reactive player in the game and is also my favorite player which is widely known on this forum. I have no ill will toward the fast people. I’m just calling it like it is.
Anywho… found this, it says it better than me:
Firstly practice, as we repeat tasks and activities our reactions become faster as they become second nature. Say your simple reaction time is 200ms (or something, I’m making up numbers), that means when you first start playing FH your in game reactions will be significantly slower. As your brain becomes accustomed to it your in game reactions improve and get closer to your base reaction time. While you’ll probably never achieve your simple reaction time in game, because choice reactions significantly slow humans down, you’ll be able to get closer and closer to it and for prediction-reactions, where you predict outcomes then react to indicators, you might even achieve your simple reaction time
Yeah, because they already have them. If you are already strong, strength isn’t the thing you need to be training for as long as it’s atleast up to par.
Show me the CS go player who is top 20 and only has median reactions.
You aren’t going to find this outside of some genius.
This is why it’s stupid to argue these things. I say “guns are dangerous” and in comes semantics guy and tells me about someone that got shot in the head and lived to tell about it.
You argue the median, not the exception.
You are always arguing the exception, not the average. I’m sorry but that’s not an argument. If the exception is an argument then that means anything is possible and we can never know anything because hey… some dude out there might decide to main ed and he might be the fastest smartest player with the best execution and mindgames and wiff punishing there ever was and he might dominate the CPT.
It could happen. But we aren’t talking about possibility we are talking about likeliness and the likelihood of someone with slow reactions competing at a high level and dominating in any fast competitive setting, is like a skinny underweight guy winning the world strongman contest.
Literally one minute into the video>
“Reaction time is largely genetic and can’t be improved”
And I’m done. I’ve already stated that “in game” reaction time can be improved. But I’m already reacting in game as fast “I” possibly can.
Because yes, I’ve actualky practiced it for hours and seen VERY small improvements, but not enough to cross the threshold of what is needed.
Did you really link a vid that denies your assertions? Yes. Yes you did.
This is the dumbest reach I’ve ever seen someone use cause they can’t git gud. How would you even begin to test or compare the reactions of a top 20 CSGO player? How could you determine where his reactions should be at considering the practice and playtime put in? Are you going to find some average joe that has done the same amount of work?
Also the video clearly said “it’s hard to improve”. Stop the lies.
And you said science proves me wrong and haven’t posted a damn thing saying so.
Tell me there’s no difference here:
So you don’t expect a pro who practices and trains everyday with other people who practice and train everyday to be leagues better than an average player? The pro training 8-12 hours a day and the joe who does his regular 9-5 job and plays a few games a day?
Put that kind of time and effort into any medium and you’d see results.
There are lots of various things like this out there reaction speed can be improved for some amounts of time on varying ways BUT GOING BEYOND THAT is impossible.
“Beyond that” is what I’m talking about.
Anywho:
Shit like this isn’t hard to find. And it all correlates back to what I said earlier and continue to repeat. The improvement stops at a certain point and if that improvement didn’t get you past the gate. YOU ARE SHIT OUT OF LUCK. Good day.
Shit like that isn’t backed by any scientific study or peer reviewed. Gtfo posting that nonsense.
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