SFV Lounge: I'm still alive. Sakura's alt is kinda cute

Eh, EWGF was tame compared to Nina’s or Hwo’s BS. Really tame. Plus, Kazuya could be out footsied hard. Those other two…a complete nightmare. Especially Nina with HKD BS. :confused:

Git gud

Scorpion is pretty low effort while still being very good. His teleport is a big fuck you to the neutral this game was going for, easy krushing blows and has several chains that go from overhead and low that are also cancelable.

How is SSJ cheating ?

They trained to gain the ability to transform.

I do agree that there are too many forms but transformations are fine.

Issue is that now every random Bob can blow up planets like it’s nothing.

I would had kept SSJ 1 and only make SSJ 2 but make it look like SSJ 4

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So, how much time did it took for SnK to fix the input lag on SamSho ? 3 weeks? A month? And the game isn’t even out yet. How long did it took for Capcom to do the same?

From experience I’m really bad with characters that just skip neutral, so that’s probably a no.

I was more thinking about someone who has solid neutral but can leverage that into a vortex or something.

Then you should go for Geras or Sub Zero. Sub is 50/50 city and Gerass can just shit out damage while making you afraid of everything. Check out this combo guide by this cool guy.

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The guy who’s likely winning said sidetour plays Geras, I should probably ask him for some tips then.

Alright man. Good luck with the tour!

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We’ve seen that plenty of times already.

Saiyan saga:

  • Raditz is killed with the help of Piccolo. Goku alone was getting his ass kicked
  • Vegeta couldn’t be defeated by Goku alone, it literally took the effort of him, Krillin, Gohan and even Yajirobe, as well as the whole planet (Spirit Bomb), and even then Vegeta was just badly wounded

Frieza saga:

  • Vegeta got his ass handed to him by Zarbon, then by Ginyu Force, and then again by Frieza
  • Goku didn’t wash Captain Ginyu, although Goku was definitely somewhat stronger after Kaioken buff
  • Frieza vastly outclassed Goku until the Super Saiyan transformation

Cell saga:

  • Goku got hit with the Heart Virus so he couldn’t even beat A19. Then later in the saga, while doing more or less well against Perfect Cell, he gave up to make way for Gohan
  • Vegeta got destroyed by A18, and that’s after him going SSJ. And then he got destroyed again by Perfect Cell. Was doing pretty well vs Semi-Perfect
  • It took the combined power of Goku and Gohan to vaporize Super Perfect Cell

Buu saga:

  • Vegeta couldn’t beat Majin Buu despite being on the same level as SSJ2 Goku
  • Goku was getting washed by Super Buu, and it took the combined strength of him and Vegeta to defeat Buu, only to reveal another (albeit weaker) form
  • Neither Vegeta nor Goku could beat Kid Buu, and they couldn’t fuse again
  • It took the power of Goku in SSJ form + full heal + energy of 7 billion people on Earth to vaporize Buu once and for all

GT:

  • Vegeta was getting his ass kicked pretty much the entire series AND got absorbed/fused with Baby
  • Both Goku and Vegeta attaining SSJ4 forms was not enough to kill Omega, even after fusing
  • Again, the Spirit Bomb did the thing by getting rid of Omega Shenron once and for all, and it literally took Goku’s life to achieve that

Super:

  • Goku loses to Beerus, even after the SSG ritual
  • Goku and Vegeta both lose numerous times in the Universe 6 tournament
  • Neither Goku’s nor Vegeta’s strength is enough to beat Black. Zamasu is also literally immortal
  • I don’t think I need to comment on what happened in Tournament of Power. Jut Jiren things and how much effort it took to take the guy down
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May 31st - SamSho demo is out for JP and SEA regions
June 2nd - WydD performs input lag testing to determine the demo has an issue
June 3rd - SNK’s western representative responds and informs SNK JP
June 4th - Yasuyuki Oda makes a tweet saying they’re aware of the input lag problem, team’s looking into a fix
June 6th - Oda says SNK is planning a patch with the input lag reduction fix
Sometime between June 6th and June 17th, SNK flies out one of their devs to do testing at WyyD’s home
June 17th - SNK releases a patch (which is also available for the press/review copies) to decrease the input lag from 8 frames to 4

So… given the patch certification process + the time it took the SNK devs to actually determine and apply the fix, I’d say it took a total of roughly 10 days. Obviously it was more effort than just flipping some flag switch in UE4.

Do keep in mind we don’t know the exact date of SNK releasing the patch, the earliest pinpointable date is yesterday because that’s when folks got their hands of early copies of the game


To add to this in regards to Capcom’s handling of the issue:

SFV’s earliest input lag measurements date back as far as early 2016,
In late September-early October 2017 Epic Games releases a blogpost about the Unreal Engine 4 update which sought to improve the input lag (on consoles)
In July 2018 it is revealed by WydD that SFV suffers from not just a high input lag but it is also unstable
Finally, in October of 2018, Capcom releases a patch for AE that reduces the input lag to about 4-4.5 frames, which is where we at today

Basically it took Capcom a year to do what SNK were able to do in less than two weeks

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Actually base Goku stood his ground quite good vs Frieza, and Frieza despite saying he is not using full power was in his final form.

Meh, I’m gonna give the benefit of the doubt to Frieza there and say Goku was only doing somewhat well because of constant underestimating of his abilities by Frieza, since to him Goku was just another monkey.

If you go back to the whole battle you tend to notice that Goku wasn’t doing all that much damage to him, even including the Kaioken Kamehameha. The tail bite and the spirit bomb was the most damage Goku did to Frieza pre-SSJ

Not sure it’s true or not but I remember reading an article once where it said that Goku vs Frieza was supposed to be the final battle and they both die.

But fans wanted more and it kept going.

Toei would lose hella money if Z ended there lol, they’d basically be carried solely by One Piece at that point

… aaand it’s still going.

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At this point Dragon Ball isn’t ending until it stops bringing $$$$$ from merchandise sales

Regardless goddamn boss move by SNK

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they also refused to have SamSho being an EGS exclusive

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