Daemos
July 5, 2015, 11:03am
1481
skychaos:
A new character to represent Singapore? probably modeled after Xian.
Personally i’d love to see Ken’s return in sf5 but with great change to his combat style so as to further differentiate him from ryu. Maybe to remove his fireball game entirely and make him a rushdown close range character. How about violent ken? and give ken a bigger role in the story .
The problem here is that Ken doesn’t need a bigger role in Ryu’s story - he needs a bigger role in his own story. Ken should branch out and start doing his own thing instead of always rescuing Ryu (at the expense of Eliza and now his son Mel).
john4p
July 5, 2015, 12:38pm
1482
Eternal:
john4p:
Fei Long doesn’t represent Jeet Kune Do, he does Kung Fu.
He resembles Bruce Lee before he invented JKD.
He doesn’t follow any particular Kung Fu style and the majority of his moves follow the creeds Lee created for JKD. The only outlier really is his regular use of high kicks which Lee was known for doing in the movies as they look good. JKD is based on Wing Chun Kung Fu with many other influences such as american boxing and fencing. However Fei Long does not specifically utilize Wing Chun which is the only Kung Fu Bruce Lee was known to practice before he developed the style that became JKD.
Fei leads with his dominate hand using it for almost every attack, his jabs, his close HP, farHP, crouchingMP and closeMP and the first rekka all use his dominate hand which he keeps close to the opponent at all times to reduce the distance needed to attack them or to intercept attacks. His rekka based footsies are actually a good representation of his ideas of interception and offensive defense.
Also Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kune Do in 1967, long before he did Fists of Fury (1972) the movie Fei Long was based on. In addition JKD was being developed long beforehand. JKD was founded and defined in 1967 but he’d been working on it for several years before. Previously it was called Jun Fan Gung Fu basically meaning “Bruce Lee Kung Fu” as Jun Fan is his birth name is Lee-Jun Fan. By 1967 however he had changed the name to JKD but core philosophy was the same.
This outfit should look familiar to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjz6wowcgcA
It’s the same outfit Fei Long wears, and the outfit Lee is wearing vs Robert Baker, the person Eagle was based on.
Way of/Enter the Dragon also released in 1972 is his most famous film obviously. Even in 1966 when he was playing Kato in The Green Hornet JKD was basically “developed” and other than Game of Death, Enter the Dragon, and Fists of Fury that is the main thing people know him from.
Here is young bruce lee practicing a Wing Chun stance. Note the pigeon toed angle of feet and knees pulled in, the defensive positioned arm, and the chest and shoulders squared and facing the opponent. Compare that to the more open and active stance of Lee in later stuff. Side facing to reduce area he needs to defend while also positioning his dominate leg and arm closer to the opponent for swifter attacks. His dancing movements while fighting inspired by Muhammad Ali. A more “loose” look that came to define his principle of “be like water.”
https://realwingchun.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bruce-lee-snt1.jpg
Here is Bruce Lee in the 1972 movie Enter the Dragon. 5 years AFTER JKD was OFFICIALLY founded.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/59963/1158013-bruceleevschuck.jpg
Here is Fei Long in Street Fighter 2
http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/5/57/SSF2T_Fei_Long.gif
Bruce’s outfit in Enter The Dragon is similar to Feis but Feis is actually based on Fists of Fury. You can tell by the difference in shoes and how the bottoms of Lee’s pants have elastic in Fists while are open in Dragon.
Sorry john, you’re completely wrong on this.
TL;DR
No, seriously good read. Thought his Jun Fan Gung Fu differed from his later Jeet Kune Do.
Fei does Hitenryu Kung Fu. Hiten Ryu is Japanese for Fei Long. So Fei Long Kung Fu.
Still Wing Chun invented chain punches. Fei has chain punches.
john4p:
Eternal:
john4p:
Fei Long doesn’t represent Jeet Kune Do, he does Kung Fu.
He resembles Bruce Lee before he invented JKD.
He doesn’t follow any particular Kung Fu style and the majority of his moves follow the creeds Lee created for JKD. The only outlier really is his regular use of high kicks which Lee was known for doing in the movies as they look good. JKD is based on Wing Chun Kung Fu with many other influences such as american boxing and fencing. However Fei Long does not specifically utilize Wing Chun which is the only Kung Fu Bruce Lee was known to practice before he developed the style that became JKD.
Fei leads with his dominate hand using it for almost every attack, his jabs, his close HP, farHP, crouchingMP and closeMP and the first rekka all use his dominate hand which he keeps close to the opponent at all times to reduce the distance needed to attack them or to intercept attacks. His rekka based footsies are actually a good representation of his ideas of interception and offensive defense.
Also Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kune Do in 1967, long before he did Fists of Fury (1972) the movie Fei Long was based on. In addition JKD was being developed long beforehand. JKD was founded and defined in 1967 but he’d been working on it for several years before. Previously it was called Jun Fan Gung Fu basically meaning “Bruce Lee Kung Fu” as Jun Fan is his birth name is Lee-Jun Fan. By 1967 however he had changed the name to JKD but core philosophy was the same.
This outfit should look familiar to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjz6wowcgcA
It’s the same outfit Fei Long wears, and the outfit Lee is wearing vs Robert Baker, the person Eagle was based on.
Way of/Enter the Dragon also released in 1972 is his most famous film obviously. Even in 1966 when he was playing Kato in The Green Hornet JKD was basically “developed” and other than Game of Death, Enter the Dragon, and Fists of Fury that is the main thing people know him from.
Here is young bruce lee practicing a Wing Chun stance. Note the pigeon toed angle of feet and knees pulled in, the defensive positioned arm, and the chest and shoulders squared and facing the opponent. Compare that to the more open and active stance of Lee in later stuff. Side facing to reduce area he needs to defend while also positioning his dominate leg and arm closer to the opponent for swifter attacks. His dancing movements while fighting inspired by Muhammad Ali. A more “loose” look that came to define his principle of “be like water.”
https://realwingchun.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bruce-lee-snt1.jpg
Here is Bruce Lee in the 1972 movie Enter the Dragon. 5 years AFTER JKD was OFFICIALLY founded.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/59963/1158013-bruceleevschuck.jpg
Here is Fei Long in Street Fighter 2
http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/5/57/SSF2T_Fei_Long.gif
Bruce’s outfit in Enter The Dragon is similar to Feis but Feis is actually based on Fists of Fury. You can tell by the difference in shoes and how the bottoms of Lee’s pants have elastic in Fists while are open in Dragon.
Sorry john, you’re completely wrong on this.
TL;DR
No, seriously good read. Thought his Jun Fan Gung Fu differed from his later Jeet Kune Do.
Fei does Hitenryu Kung Fu. Hiten Ryu is Japanese for Fei Long. So Fei Long Kung Fu.
Still Wing Chun invented chain punches. Fei has chain punches.
Yeah I and that the Hitenryu Kung Fu thing is so it even further follows Bruce’s story as Fei goes on to leave movies and form his own school after realizing he was more passionate about that than about acting. Fei is so much Bruce Lee it almost goes past “homage” lol.
Infiltration? Is that you?
No Ken in SF5 is like spaghetti without the sauce.
I may be wrong but it looks like to me he was soft-leaked in the teaser trailer at about 19 seconds. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KQBapkewQsc&feature=player_detailpage#t=19
Honestly I fell like Fei Long and Marshall/Forest Law are the only two Bruce Lee clones in games who go beyond what they are supposed to be and are somewhat expanded upon as characters. The problem is that they are in hands of Capcom, who seems to not give two shits about developing the character even further and make him a part or the protagonist team to serve a good cause instead of doing stupid shit like constantly shoot movies, and Namco, who like Capcom doesn’t give two shits either, and the series has been about the same damn thing since Day 1 which is basically the Mishima rivalry, and Law has been turned into a goofy idiot and a comedic relief because of his pairing with Paul Phoenix storywise
Both Fei and Law CAN and SHOULD be great characters, not just in terms of gameplay, but their personal character too, their motivations, their deeds, their everything, instead of being stuck in the same phase since the 90’s. It’s quite discouraging. Maybe Capcom has indeed plans to improve its story element in SF and maybe that rumor about Square Enix helping with the story mode was kinda true after all. I don’t have any hopes for Namco to make a more coherent story for its cast, given how big the roster usually is in the Tekken games (it was something like 40 chars in Tag 2?)
Cestus
July 6, 2015, 1:11pm
1489
Honestly I fell like Fei Long and Marshall/Forest Law are the only two Bruce Lee clones in games who go beyond what they are supposed to be and are somewhat expanded upon as characters. The problem is that they are in hands of Capcom, who seems to not give two shits about developing the character even further and make him a part or the protagonist team to serve a good cause instead of doing stupid shit like constantly shoot movies, and Namco, who like Capcom doesn’t give two shits either, and the series has been about the same damn thing since Day 1 which is basically the Mishima rivalry, and Law has been turned into a goofy idiot and a comedic relief because of his pairing with Paul Phoenix storywise
Both Fei and Law CAN and SHOULD be great characters, not just in terms of gameplay, but their personal character too, their motivations, their deeds, their everything, instead of being stuck in the same phase since the 90’s. It’s quite discouraging. Maybe Capcom has indeed plans to improve its story element in SF and maybe that rumor about Square Enix helping with the story mode was kinda true after all. I don’t have any hopes for Namco to make a more coherent story for its cast, given how big the roster usually is in the Tekken games (it was something like 40 chars in Tag 2?)
If you want to count him as a Lee clone, Jackie Bryant in Virtua Fighter utilizes JKD and copies a lot of Bruce Lee’s mannerisms but is completely different otherwise.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean - Jacky is a clone of/homage to Bruce Lee, but he is also his own character at the same time, and not just visually but in terms of personality too.
Cestus
July 6, 2015, 3:45pm
1492
Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean - Jacky is a clone of/homage to Bruce Lee, but he is also his own character at the same time, and not just visually but in terms of personality too.
On the other hand i prefer Fei over Jackie or that SomethingLee from the inflatable waifu dools game
Said that Namco BruceLees are boss
Technically Jacky is from Virtua Fighter, not Dead Or Alive
Law is an exact replica of Bruce Lee in terms of the movelist (like more than half of the normals and command normals come from various movies)
Maxi on the other hand…has just the nunchakus and that’s it, he’s probably the least similar to Bruce Lee among all the videogame clones
twigster:
Did anyone here play Mika in Alpha 3? Can we get a rundown of why she was bad in A3, and what they could do to improve her? Keep in mind there’s no V-ism bullshit to give her a boost.
I know her “flying peach” was a joke move because of the dumb recovery animation. I also thought the “Sardine Beach Special” super was totally useless and gimmicky. However, fundamentally she looks like she could be good character. She had a bunch of good normals including the grappler jump splash, zangiefs jump short, a slide, a steerable hop kick that actually goes over lows, an air throw, Guile’s backfist, as well as her crouching fierce and crouching and STANDING (drop kick!) roundhouse buttons knocking down.
She has what look like good tools, it shouldn’t be too hard to tailor her to SF5.
I can’t say I was actually good at SFA3, but I did like Mika in that game. I feel that she can be retooled to be pretty strong and unique. I think she just needs an updated way to get in on people. No air blocking is also a big help for her I think. That or an air grab of sorts (if she didn’t have one, it’s been a minute since I’ve actually played SFA3).
Cestus
July 6, 2015, 6:29pm
1495
I know lol
Also we forgot him
Even if he was closer to Jackie Chan probably
Which brings us around to the need for a jackie chan character. Come-on! Tekken shouldn’t have a monopoly on Jackie Chan based fighters. He is long LONG overdue for a return to Street Fighter
http://i.imgur.com/GLWmO5L.gif
Allen Schneider is a great Bruce Lee homage, combining a bunch of his mannerisms and expressions with an appearance like Chuck Norris when he fought opposite of Lee in Way of the Dragon.
Yeah but Allen never had that shag carpet chest hair Norris did. Look closely, he ain’t wearing a sweater. They really missed the mark on that one
Forget Bruce Lee rip-offs… I need a proper Muay Thai fighter.
A Tony Jaa based new character would be boss… Someone who used Muay Thai Boran
Eternal:
Here is young bruce lee practicing a Wing Chun stance. Note the pigeon toed angle of feet and knees pulled in, the defensive positioned arm, and the chest and shoulders squared and facing the opponent. Compare that to the more open and active stance of Lee in later stuff. Side facing to reduce area he needs to defend while also positioning his dominate leg and arm closer to the opponent for swifter attacks. His dancing movements while fighting inspired by Muhammad Ali. A more “loose” look that came to define his principle of “be like water.”
https://realwingchun.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bruce-lee-snt1.jpg
Ugh, whenever I see Wing Chun it feels like vomit is being forcibly jammed in my eyeballs. Blind quadriplegics people could have designed a better stance.
