eeh Dhalsim is iconic, but he is not on the same level with Gief.
*He was in the movie wreck it Ralph
*His Atomic Buster move is so Iconic, real wrestlers use it in their shows (Kenny Omega anyone?).
*Capcom use Zangief special moves in Devil may Cry games.
*He was in some child-animes like Bayblade.
*Hell, he was in nearly every Street Fighter Anime or Movie
Wait, what? For real?
ayyy just checked it on youtube, I want this as a costume in SF5.
https://youtu.be/yt5byOHGqlk?t=409
Recognizability =/= popularity.
I recognize Jeffrey Dahmer, Iām not exactly a āfanā of his. Compared to the other WWs itās a fair thing to say that Sim/Honda/Blanka arenāt popular enough to warrant inclusion.
TBH,SF2 was a success not just because of the roster in it,BUT also because that game was waaay better looking than the fighting games at the time. Everything was better, donāt falling in love with that game was impossible in the early nineties. Thatās why people recognize the most the characters of that game,not because all of them are gold and whoever came later is bullshit. Capcom fighting games was too forward for the time, way different from the ugly games too similar to Karate Kid. Even who donāt play characters like Remy,Urien or Alex need the possibility to play them in a brand new version of the game. Who donāt play the WW in SF2 did it in SF4 after all.
I want Eagle to be in so I can hear that bitchinā theme song of his.
Sim has always had a devoted cult following. Lots of people played him in SF2 and Alpha series. Even in SF4 there were some dedicated Sims, even though he is terrible. He plays like no other character, is the ultimate zoning character able to control space at so many different angles and ranges. He is worth it for that alone, on top of being popular.
Thank you for proving my point: Dhalsim is so monstrously popular that he ranksā¦ below Remy. I hate Remy. Remy is a garbage character. What does that say if Japan doesnāt even vote Dhalsim ahead of that Remy.
Your assertion that this survey is āonlyā the opinion of the FGC is a joke. Ryu got nearly 19k votes, thatās bigger than the entire FGC itself (the people who go to tournaments or meetups). Ingrid also has more votes than Dhalsim, and most SRK people (besides me) hate Ingrid. Your entire argument is unfounded. Sit down.
In any case, my post was really talking about Blanka and particularly Honda. Hondaās low in the popularity charts, and I donāt even think heās been top tier in any game. The character design is just bad. Heās not particularly unique either. Heās literally a sumo wrestler with zero storyline significance.
Capcom has been spent the last decades focusing in the international market, not just Japan, man. Following your logic, Remy would have been on Street Fighter IV instead of Dhalsimā¦ Hell, Remy didnāt even make it into the game, and there were like 4 or 5 revisions.
Completely agree, after the four protagonists (Ryu, Ken, Guile and Chun-Li), the villain (M. Bison) and Zangief, Dhalsimās the next most popular character from Street Fighter II, above Honda, Blanka, Balrog, Vega, Sagat, Fei, Dee Jay, T. Hawk and probably even Cammy.
Simply, his gameplay was so breakthrough by the moment thereās no way a Street Fighter game can be considered complete without him, as he represents pretty much the original concept of the āoddball characterā we see in every fighting game.
Do I like him? Hell no! I want Necro in this game instead of him. But I know Dhalsim still has the better chances of making it into the game.
I remember I had some SF pogs, and I thought Dhalsim was the coolest one. Vega was second, and the rest werenāt that interesting to me.
His playstyle never really meshed with me in SF4, but I would still have picked him in vanilla if I were only going on aesthetics. I rarely end up picking my aesthetic favorite in practice, though. Too picky.
I think thatās a noticeable aspect of those charactersā popularity though. Sim is not like other SF2 characters, so he appeals to different people than the rest. Characters like Zangief, I think youāll find most of their popularity comes from people who already like SF characters. A grappler that appeals more to outsiders is someone like Hugo, because people remember Andre the Giant.
The general response to this image seems to be that it was Necalli, but what actual move is he using here? I donāt remember seeing anything with that kind of effect. Pretty sure we see the EX version of all the specials, too.
FGC is bigger than tournament entrants, and EVO alone had over 6000 entrants this year IIRC. The people that play at least at weekly events or at japan arcades probably is higher than 20k. Donāt forget, people who donāt play Street Fighter are still part of the FGC and could have voted. Tekken, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Smash, all could have voted.
Great examplesā¦ until you remember that in SF2 and SFA he was top tier so that is a big part of why he was played a lot. I never said he was UNPOPULAR I said that in the context of the WWs it was fair to say they werenāt popular enough. Are you going to tell me that Honda ranks higher than Ryu/Ken/Chun/Bison/Guile/Zangief/Sagat/Vega? Iād say not, and Capcom tends to agree judging by the merchandising of those characters. There are dedicated players for EVERY character. FFS there are several dedicated Deejay characters who played him in every game even though heās only been good in ST. Rufus is one of the least popular characters among the public yet he appears in tournaments a ton and have a number of top players who rep him and Ricky loves him as a character. Sim is probably the only one who could potentially be argued for that 8, and heād probably only be able to overshoot Vega in terms of player popularity as well as how much stuff Capcom merchandises.
In terms of Cross over games? How many cross over games do the entire WW cast NOT appear? If they donāt have the entire WW cast they usually donāt have Honda/Blanka and often not Sim.
Not bringing up Ken/Ryu/Chun who almost constantly appear.
Capcom Fighting Evolution - No Blanka/Sim/Honda but Guile/Zangief/Bison do appear.
Pocket Fighter - No Blanka/Sim/Honda appear but Zangief does
Xmen vs Street Fighter - Sim does appear but Honda/Blanka donāt
MVC1 - No Blanka/Sim/Honda appear but Zangief does
MvSF - Sim appears not Blanka/Honda but has Zangief and Bison
SFxT - Blanka was āDLCā not part of the base game
Namco x Capcom - Bison is in none of the other chars
CVS1 - Zangief/Guile are in. Bison is a boss, Sagat is in Olympic mode, Vega is DC link only. No Blanka/Sim/Honda
SFxMegaman - Has Sim/Blanka not Honda (Fan made game)
SvC - Has Sagat, Bison, Guile, Sim, Vega, Balrog no honda no blanka. (Made by SNK)
By popularity surveys, number of people who main them in SF4 according to SRK ranking, appearances on merchandise, and appearances in cross over games itās fairly obvious that:
Ryu/Ken/Chun/Sagat/Bison/Zangief rank MUCH higher than anyone else. Guile ranks typically higher in popularity charts and merchandise than Sim and equal number of appearances in cross overs.That is already over half of the WWs higher than Sim/Blanka. Honda has like zero chance if we go by all of that data, but they could pull a Birdie.
ooo so close to almost agreeing. Cammy is one of the most popular characters in SF. PERIOD. She blows almost everyone away on the popularity chart, she appears in more merchandise than most WW characters as well. She is miles ahead of Sim.
Iām almost indifferent to what the green spots on that roster image mean; they could be returning SFII or returning SFIV characters, and Iām okay either way.
The blue spots, on the other hand, Iām really interested in. They could be Alpha specifically, but I have a better feeling that theyāre returning characters who didnāt make it into SFIV. And Iāve a hunch theyāll both be completely unexpected.
Think about it, they did say they wanted to throw in a FEW characters nobody expected. Not just one; not just Birdie. And while I can only speculate at Capcomās strategy, Iām gonna call it: they ARENāT including the likes of Alex, Urien, Mika, and Karin in the core roster.
Theyāre saving them for the first wave of unlockable characters.
SFV isnāt just āeverything SFIV isnāt.ā Itās its own game, its own entity, and I doubt the dev team are just gonna fill it with the next bunch of highly requested characters who didnāt make it into the last game. Theyāre gonna go with a core roster they feel fits SFVās tone, made up of characters who each bring their own thing to it. After that, itās all fair game.
My guesses? Green spots will be at least Dhalsim and Zangief. They represent the extremes of Street Fighters spacing game, theyāre iconic, and their movesets are malleable enough that they could easily shine in the Variable system. The third green spot will be Sakura, Guile, or Juri, with the remaining two being unlockable later.
The two blue spots? I dunno. Iām banking on batshit randomness like Maki, Eagle, or even Retsu.
I canāt see it being Retsu, otherwise I can kind of agree with that.
Thatās what makes him unexpected! 
Iām not worried about returning characters. If my character doesnāt make it into a game my first thought is pretty much, " Well, I guess Iām gonna have to use another character." Itās looking like Ryu right now, maaaaybe Nash. But I wonāt make up my mind til the full roster is revealed. Even then Iāll probably stick with Ryu for a while, just to get used to the game. Itās what I always do with new Street Fighterās.
If I wanna play a game that has my old characters, Iāll just go play that game. Sure, itād be cool if theyāre back, but Iām not sweating it.
I think we are getting 18 characters, including the final boss and Akuma who will be hidden for the first 5 minutes of the gamesā life. I donāt see them not including Akuma as part of the initial game. I just really hope they change him up dramatically or he will be somewhat treading on Necalliās feet along with Ryu and Kenās.
Anyway, something tells me also that the green box is SF2 characters NOT returning SF4 characters and the blue box is for everyone else.
For SF2 Iām hoping for Gief, Sim, and Claw because they are the most unique out of the remaining SF2 characters. They could go for Guile, Sagat, or Blanka too I mean. Fuck they would all make sense to be in except for Hawk, Fei, Honda, and Dee Jay.
The 2 characters between Charlie and Birdie will be of the following I feel: Urien, Alex, Rose, Oro, Juri, Mika, Karin, Sakura. It would be nice if they bundle up the last 4 into a WAIFU super DLC and spare us the pornfest a little longer.
Thereās a possibility of Urien being the final boss, which means he will be in the game and not part of the initial roster screen they displayed.
Thereās also a possible shortage of Shadaloving in the character roster which makes me think that either they will be release a DLC pack with Boxer, Claw, and Sagat for Shadalovers everywhere OR one of the new characters will be a Shadaloo ally like one of those āleak listsā proclaimed a while back.
With post-launch dlc/unlockables we are going to end up with most of the characterās on peopleās wishlist in the game eventually so I wonāt be mad if my usf4 mains arenāt available at launch.
Iām expecting them to balance out the opening roster a bit in terms of archetypes, we havenāt got a charge character (Guile) or a grappler (Zangief) and those two examples seem like the likeliest candidates to get people interested at launch as they would both be returning world warriors and highly recognisable. I also think that Nash was changed from a charge character to differentiate him further from Guile, making him even more likely to make an early appearance.
I would also expect a boxing character so itāll be interesting to see who they go with out of Balrog and Dudley, I personally prefer Dudley and would love to see him interpreted for this game.
Finally I think they have to put a Rekka character in, thatāll probably be Fei Long or Karin. Iād be happy with either a this stage, pehaps Karin is slightly more likely based on how hype everyone seems for her right now.
Obviously, any of these archetypes could be filled by new characters as well, I wouldnāt be surprised if so.
I wouldnāt expect any more shoto-based characters like sean/sakura to make it into vanilla, no matter how different they make them.
I really, really want Cody for Vanilla B)
Hadnāt considered Urien for the final boss. If itās post SF3 thatād be a pretty cool way to do it.
What if they include Akuma and make his V-Trigger the āShin Akuma Modeā, or even make Akuma a Shin version by default?
I actually have a huge word document called āSF5ā where I lay out how I would make the next street fighter, and this is exactly how I have Akuma.
In my Street Fighter, Akuma would have no EX moves (a-la 3S) and his super would be to go into shin akuma mode. Also, he wouldnāt have teleport until he went into shin akuma mode.
I also have his alternate super being the SA2 from 3S, because Iāve always thought of the shotos in terms of their differentiating move- Ryu with fireballs, Ken with uppercuts, and Akuma with tatsus.
Whatever.
Who cares? The survey has over 100k respondents, which is certainly larger than the FGC, if your definition of the FGC is anything reasonable. The point was that the survey wasnāt entirely made up of FGC votes, which was clearly what Daemosā assertion was. There are many casual voters in the survey, indicating that Dhalsim isnāt as popular as some people think. Just by eyeballing the three lists, it doesnāt look like Dhalsimās in the top half of any of them (I wish I could export the data to excel so that itās actually fucking readable). But I think you agree with most of my point, so Iām willing to drop this.
I think everyone knows Iām dissing Dhalsim because I want Necro.