Does Capcom ever look at their unity forums? Their censorship thread has gone over 36 pages and tons of topics being closed. It’s probably easier to just spam twitter at the actual big players rather than the forums.
A true misogynist is a deeply disturbed individual, rapists etc. it wouldn’t surprise me if that group was so paranoid that they thought everyone who disagreed with them was one.
It’s really sad and there is a bigger problem afoot here.
People are too afraid to speak up. Honestly all they need to do is arm themselves here with the words of posts from myself Yagami Fire and others, think of this as an armory to equip yourself with the tools to take down these jerks wherever they are.
I look at neoGAF and it’s completely self censored, they refuse to talk about it and those who bring it up get ban threats. They’re afraid to start a thread over there and that’s said but I’ve watched Gaf over the years and through bad mods and bannings, basically become a parody and totalitarian cesspool of people that only allow similar minded thinkers.
I had some resistance here at first but cooler heads prevailed and we turned the tides. People are too afraid on Gaf to do that but perhaps someone would, as I said just take cues from me and others here.
Like I said I just don’t have the time to be on the net these days, and it’s really devolved.
To be fair, discourse has basically degenerated to the point that the easiest method to avoid discussion is to immediately accuse someone of being an “ist” (racist, sexist, misogynist, etc) so that the discussion then immediately changes to the accused having to defend themselves and prove (an impossibility) that they are unequivocally not the “ist” they’ve been labeled as. It has considerable levels of efficacy if the person is not aware of the tactic.
i understand that but that’s an absolutely outrageous accusation to make on someone and I would just tell them to say it to my girlfriends face and have her handle it. Then what would they be able to say?
And what if it’s a girl making the claim, like with Natasha? Is Natasha a misogynist? My GF? Lol.
They have nothing. They’re insane it’s a mentally ill group, and like I said if that Anita whats her face woman allowed likes dislikes and comments they would be exposed and the ‘movement’ would die faster than a fly trapped in a windowsill.
There are examples of women who are objectified in games. But this simply doesn’t qualify. It’s the opposite. It’s a strong woman expressing herself.
I would love to see these people show up to a cosplay convention. Would they run up to every model and cosplayer and scream at their faces for being misogynist women lol. Anita what’s her face would probably just willow in a corner at how much more beautiful they are than her. And how they are so much more confident and not afraid to express themselves or show their bodies.
That’s what this is really about you know. She was the ugly duckling in HS and instead of blossoming and coming out of her shell in college like most girls like that did, she just became batshit insane and now we all suffer for it. She found a niche a mostly male hobby and it was easy pickings.
I’m not accusing anyone of anything. I’m saying that because Ono made that one statement where he said Capcom changed the camera angles to avoid offending people, he backed Capcom into a corner:
- If Capcom ever changes anything in SFV to be less risque, they will face accusations of self-censorship and caving to SJWs
- If Capcom ever reintroduces the old camera angles, or even makes any other change that results in the game being less politically correct, they will face accusations of misogyny
The veracity of the accusations is an entirely different matter. The truth doesn’t matter to the internet outrage machine. This all could have been avoided by them saying nothing, or just stating that they liked the new camera angles better. There is no way this ends up better for them, one way or the other. The best thing they can hope for is that the controversy blows over quickly.
As for my own opinions on the war between gamers and SJWs, I have made them abundantly clear in the old ********* thread before it got closed. I don’t want to rehash it here because I never figured out why that thread was closed and have no idea what I can or can’t talk about in SRK.
Feminist do have a score to settle with some games (Duke Nukem for example) but SFV is not even in the same PROXIMITY. I do agree that feminism has gone too far when they start calling the art of Spider-Woman (some months ago) as overly sexualized. Some accused it of being drawn too skin tight thereby showing off all of her body parts. Those people have never opened a comic book in their life if they think that only pertains to females. Heck even the old geezer of Magneto has 6 pack abs in the comics which can be clearly seen thanks to skin tight outfits. No male cried foul on that one. Anyways… straying off topic… yes…lets return to the original close up video letting R.Mika slap her ass for a whooping 1/3 of a second and let it be.
yeah that’s definitely what happened
Capcom not at all doing this because of outside pressure, right?
Personally I thought the buttslap was a cute nod to actual female wrastlers and their silly nature(especially the japanese ones) and thought it was lame that a japanese publisher had it’s game changed by the american market instituting their wack ass american values on a game that at it’s core is about people beating the shit out of each other. Like people are gonna jack off to anything, dudes probably jerk off to those ultra graphic mk fatalities so why make an attempt to censor shit?
They should have had some actual integrity like the guys at vanillaware, but we all know how much capcom prioritizes integrity with their out of touch asses. They need to focus back on making good games for their local market like back in the day and then do some good advertising here in the states and the sales will come. Stop being fucking saleouts and trying to push units instead of just making quality games with actual variety instead of this watered down SF 4.5 scrub shelter rushdown/nofireballsallowed edition
Of all of this stuff it’s kind of funny that the thing that bothers me the most is that if we had a genuine full-on Samoan World Warrior (which would be awesome by the way since Samoan wrestlers have been some of my favorites ever) and they were a guy dressed similarly to Rikishi and they did a Rikishi-homage butt-slap into stink-face (or similar maneuver) there’d be ZERO issue with it.
Mika is only kept from doing it because she’s female. As if no female character can be shown to do anything with their rear-end without it being seen as innately sexual…but a male character could do it just fine.
That…actually seems really sexist.
in all honesty… who cares?
You still hear the slap. You still see her bashing the opponents face in her buttocks. Is 1 second of pixels really that worth all this controversy?
It’s obvious capcom changed it to avoid dealing with the outrage culture.
I don’t think “outrage culture” had much to do with it. I think Capcom wanted a certain amount of provocative content, and they wanted the game to have a broad appeal, and in this case, they decided to take a small portion of the provocative content out of the game to keep a broader appeal.
This idea that changing the cinematic will lead to massive changes/censorship in the future is a slippery slope fallacy. There’s not much actual evidence to support such a theory. This fear of over-censorship has been around for a long time, not just in the past few years, and it really hasn’t changed the overall content in games. These days, whether it’s movies, tv shows, videogames, they all still have just as much, if not more, mature content as they’ve ever had.
If you care about integrity of artistic vision? Yes.
The way is works is that when someone wants to take away fundamental rights they start by attacking objectionable, frivolous or otherwise hard to defend targets. So if I want to remove online privacy for all I don’t start by attacking dissidents working against a dictator. I start with douche-bags posting revenge porn online or something. Likewise the way to institute censorship of art is to start small. If you wait until something “worth the controversy” to pop up it’ll be too late.
If that was their intent then I think they went with a risky strategy. The possible ways to handle outrage culture are:
- Complete and total capitulation/subservience. Commit to feeding the beast by submitting to a never-ending list of demands. Social justice is never satisfied.
- Complete and total silence. Don’t even acknowledge that any controversy exists. Keep your head low and hope you don’t become a target.
- Complete and total avoidance. Don’t localize your game. Sell it in the sane parts of the world.
Capcom chose option 1. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
I can say with absolute assurance that I don’t care.
There’s no artistic vision here. That 1 second was done as fan service. It being there or not means nothing to me.
Capcom wants to get this game in as much hands as possible. Dealing with backlash over something like this can put a stop to such plans.
Honestly you should be supporting this decision by capcom. If it means that SFV can sell more and allow us to get even more support for the game, then by all means censor that butt slap.
I certainly wouldn’t like seeing this game barely selling more than 1 million units just because some outrage culture made it their target. I want the game to sell and be supported for several years.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
It has. Look at this page. Compare that to the first page.
“Tide’s weren’t turned” OK that was corny to say but cooler people prevailed it just took some time for them to show up.
Censorship of any kind is not going to sell a single extra copy, but pissing off your hardcore base that sustains you could harm revenues.
I know at least a few guys in our community who were “put off by the censorship fiasco” and are now “skipping” the game.
I bring this back to Microsoft and the Xbone. They pissed off their hardcore base so bad, they thought they had us “in the bag” not realizing that there is an option (PS4) and despite what you observe online, IE fanboys, that does not represent the greater gaming world at large IE most people are not fanboys and will buy the better console regardless of who makes it. We’ve seen this time and time again. If fanboyism, IE brand loyalty meant a goddamn thing, then the Sega Genesis would have never taken off, the Sony PlayStation would have never taken off, the Xbox 360 would have never taken off and what have you.
You look around and there are ALOT of options right now in the fighting game field and the biggest two competitors Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct aren’t censoring their games and those games are so much more provacative than SFV in every way imaginable, it’s not even remotely comparable, yet Capcom are the ones caving in. Why?
I think that this is very apt, because you basically have some gaming companies petrified of this whole ‘gamergate’ thing and it’s like, if they only knew that the controversy is the people against it, not the group itself. The group itself is a joke you’re talking about a tiny tiny tiny niche of a niche of a niche.
No gaming publication is going to give SFV lower review scores for Mika’s CA. I don’t even think most people noticed the Cammy thing until it was censored, and now her new intro looks like shes squatting off camera and taking a dump. It looks like shit literally and figuratively now.
It’s a shame what happened with DOAX3 but I actually do think that that particular game would tank in review scores because of the climate that’s been created by this culture of outrage at everything. If it came out 5 years ago or 5 years from now once this crap is history it would be fine. Like I said, enable comments, likes and dislikes on her videos, and this whole movement dies faster than Sean vs. Chun Li in 3S.
Yet they left in Chun-Li’s barely covered crotch for her pre-order alt costume which you get a full blown view of curing her CA? Or how about how Kikouken has almost always been a ridiculously provocative pose during the move? Really, why leave these things in but not the buttslap? What’s the major difference between them? They’re both rather tame fan services.
Oh, I know why. Because the games media made a huge fucking stink about R.Mika being too objectified when she was first revealed. Oh no, but Hot Ryu is ok and having several articles written about how sexy and hot he is and the objectification going on is peaches and cream. The double standards are ridiculous, and to ignore that factor in the equation is being ignorant.
I don’t see how anyone can defend the change, especially with how tame the original was. Ono made it perfectly clear, it was so that people wouldn’t get offended. Well, just wait until people start getting mad about the male on female violence. Just wait until people cry misogyny when they see Vega slash Chun-Li mid match because Player 1 press a button. You take out one little thing that might offend someone, you might as well take out everything that will offend someone, which means you basically don’t have a game. Or, you know, you could just make the game for the people who are actually going to buy it, instead of deleting topics and posts discussing the censorship on your public company forums and making the censorship issue bigger than it needs to be by silencing those voices.