You know I’m not actually against you ParryAll. I just don’t think the censorship was done by external factors. I’m still against it though.
It is just editing content. Totalbiscuit goes on about censorship from time to time, unless you are legally forced to change something it isn’t censorship. I get that it still frustrates you but that’s all it is, their hand was not forced. They could have gone for a higher rating and still been able to sell their product, but they might be thinking about E-Sports and be trying to make SFV view-able for a wider audience, TV friendly.
It is something *they *decided to do, and from the sound of it wanted to do. Just step back and look at it for a moment, a game about fighting no longer zooms in on a crotch and bum; is it really that inconsistent a change?
And these people have more legitimacy to their claims how? Because they’re soap boxing on youtube? The authority on the matter is a dude with a goatee talking to himself in a room filled to the brim with video games and video game memorabilia, while looking like he’s 20 years late to a school shooting? That is the voice of non-“socially awkward low level autistic people”?
So the moral of the story with ESRB is…
Don’t make betas, hide all the good shit from the trailers, sell baits to the political correctness people and appease the ESRB boards, and then when the game comes out, it’s too late to change back. Kids get to have the good shit and they can’t do shit about it other than bitching and whining on the internet and spamming metacritic.
Fuck is this bullshit?
People going HAM about something they can’t change. Again.
This is much to do about nothing. Capcom is making a product, they can release the product how they want. There are plenty of objectifying animations still in the game, not to mention the outfits themselves are still suitably skimpy. If attention wasn’t drawn to it most would not notice either way. If Sarkeesian and the other feminazis consider this a victory and gets wet from this shit all the better: we didn’t really lose anything anyway.
The steamforums were worse.
The moment I said, they should go to Capcom-unity and make there their voice heard, I got a ridicoulis amount of insults.
Now I’m here, following a thread with a OP who doesn’t listen to anyone,want that everybody follows him like a brave lemming and doesn’t accept that he’s wrong or people don’t care.
Actually I enjoy this,but my Popcorn is empty.
meh, I would never tell people what they should go to bat for but me personally this is a non issue. There are far more important things for me to spend my brain matter on. It seems that Capcom made the choice on their own, as artist they decided to go another direction, that should be the end of it really.
I will continue to monitor this thread with my popcorn doe
I find it funny that people are in a fuss about some digitalized ass and titties but they are okay with our young boys and girls changing genders with each others
if you are a young boy in kindergarden you should be open to suck dicks and getting your dick sucked by a moose because we should all be accepting and open and dont forget to dress in a dress and if you’re a girl in kindergarden you should turn tricks in the next alley because that is your right and privilege and no one can take that shit away from you and forget about the consequences because society will pay everything for you and ohh dont forget to grow out a dick because being a young girl is just the patriarchy oppressing you
BUT NO DIGITALIZED ASS AND TITTIES BECAUSE THAT IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR YOUR YOUNG MINDS AND DONT FORGET YOUR IHPONE IS JUST 1 CLICK AWAY FROM A PERSON GETTING GANGBANGED
The nadir of SRK.
Did I like the change of camera angle on the butt slap? No. Do I understand why Capcom changed it? Yes. It’s the same reason Netherealm changed Cassie Cages X-Factor when it hits female characters. America still has underlying Puritan values. Violence is acceptable, sexual content? Not so much.
Political correctness is a very real threat to free speech and artistic expression. We have seen this fact demonstrated time and time again from #CancelColbert to Jonah Hill being forced to publicly apologize for making an off-colour joke to Anita Sarkesian’s involvement in Mirror’s Edge 2. A certain group of very easily-offended people have an outrageous amount of leverage over what can and what can’t be portrayed in media when they really shouldn’t. Changing the camera angles might seem like nothing, but giving an inch is giving a mile; this only encourages this crap to happen more. Discussions like this need to be had, people.
That’s because society today encourages disorderly behaviour. For example, look at overweight people, normally they would be chastised for failing to correct dysfunctional eating habits, but now that is called “fat shaming” as if fat people are an oppressed minority, and the media today is all about spinning delusions like “it’s perfectly ok to be obese” and “you can still be beautiful if you’re fat, its society that is ugly”. It’s complete lunacy. Logic takes a backseat to preventing hurt feelings nowadays.
So… When Bob Ross showed a blank canvas at the start of every show he then subsequently “censored” it by covering it up with paint? I get it. Showing one thing and then changing it is inherently “censorship.” You see, some people are fans of modern art and the blank canvas, carefully built, set upon the easel colored an unbroken field of white and wetted in anticipation of paint never to have its purpose fulfilled, speaks to them. They wanted that canvas to remain in its beautiful pained state. But no, that horrible Bob Ross, evil censor overlord that he is, slathers layer and layer of paint, coat after coat of dark pigmented censorship, all over the canvas. He showed us this gorgeous piece of modern art but in the hopes of pleasing a broader audience he changed what he had done and instead made a painting.
You see how ludicrous these paper thin arguments are when you change the context? This isn’t censorship, this is the natural evolution of a product being produced by a large artistic team which is part of an even larger international company that you just so happen to have been given an inside look into. I swear, this butt-slap has turned into some kind of martyr and all this fervor is going to do is make companies shy away from true beta experiences like we’ve been given here for fear that a vocal minority will be upset at a design decision they make. We’ll just get more of the “pre order at GameStop now to play our perfectly finished game but we’ll call it a beta so you can feel better!” type of “betas” instead of the actual game in development not finished beta that Capcom has so graciously let us all be a part of.
Hey hey hey! You leave Morrigan alone. her design is timeless and has influenced the designs of several other character after her in other games, even non Capcom ones.
If a butt slap isn’t appropriate for Esports. I highly doubt a game with attacks where a character upskirts a woman and pokes her in the butt is gonna be acceptable.
No, I think context is intrinsic to the discussion people are having here and completely disregarding it shows a misunderstanding of the issue. Your point is more of a strawman argument than anything else
Self-censorship is still censorship but it doesn’t matter what label you apply to Capcom’s actions here; they weren’t driven by any sort of artistic vision. Even if you wish to call it something other than censorship, it’s the context and the reasons behind it that matter.
When I played R.Mika in the last stress test, you could see her smack her butt. The camera doesn’t zoom in to just the butt and crotch like it used to. I guess if you like butts and labia in your face, then I can understand why you are upset. I will be playing SFV with my kid, so it doesn’t bug me that the cinematic changed.
Tis censorship, i want to see that booty and cammytoe again.
It definitely wasn’t done by anyone else. As in it’s not like they were trying to get the game into Australia (as far as we know) and the government there said ‘You need to tone this down (butt slap) or we will not accept it’.
But what they did is just beat any of that to the punch by altering it ahead of time.
Does everyone recall it’s showcased in her trailer? The trailer is still the same trailer. They save it till the end like all the supers. They deliberately made it one way to begin with, then deliberately altered it later.
I don’t care about all this blah blah fighting the good fight, feminism, sjw, etc. crap. It’s just a money matter.
I just think you call a pig a pig. They made a decision to censor it to avoid any future crap they might have to deal with.
Even though Capcom wants Capcom Cup to be a thing, (which it already is), I don’t think they want to be a part of ‘e-sports’. I think they want to run their own competitive scene tbh and want control to some extent over sponsors allowed in and all that. Likely companies related to their products who they can or have formed deals with already (for instance MCZ).
And as long as they offer the most $$, people will kowtow to these restrictions and it will block out sponsors which they don’t have relationships with. You want part of the SF scene $$, you need to go through capcom.
So I see this kind of self editing (if you find censorship so absolutely incorrect here) more indicative of a game they want to sell across the world in as many regions as possible. Something not too big a deal in one culture can be meaningful in another.