Well, to the Japanese, Akuma/Gief matchup goes 5-5, I personally believe that this is a fair assumption…I would even lean on saying Akuma 6-4, but I wouldn’t say any more then that. The match can go either way mainly because of the fact that Zangief’s can body you because of his health…
I dunno, the only way a Gief is going to beat my Akuma, is if he’s hitting me with some Ultra that I didn’t catch, or if he’s straight up the better player.
I honestly haven’t been keeping up with SF4 since Remix came out (no disrespect, I am on hella budget tip right now LOL), so I am honestly asking, I am sure the game has evolved quite a bit since I’ve last played at GW.
Mike, you have to teach me SFIV, I can show you nasty shit in remix.
I keep wondering how Gief is so high up in the tiers. Then I realize the only time I ever felt locked down in this wonky ass game (by good players no scrub BS) was against Sagat and Ryu. I don’t recall seeing much character variation in this game at Narrows or GW, so maybe that is why I never really get the chance to whoop on people with the mighty Russian.
Yeah I was really joking about the silencing but I just love that an El Fuerte can beast even those considered top tier.
Giefs life is just ridiculous. I have almost felt like laughing looking at the damage I take from a buff combo when I’m playing him. At the same time, jump in Roundhouse>Fierce punch combo does 1/3 damage on Akuma, and Akuma can run away all day, but he really can’t hit Geif with runaway fireball at all. Lariat, Green Hand, Focus attack, and dashing under take care of all it.
I feel like were talking about World Warriors match-ups. Championship Edition is about to come out, with all new sure to dominate characters. :clapdos:
I don’t think it will be that much different aside from how the new characters affect the tiers. To say it is a different game is kind of a stretch. Not that it matters, I don’t really like this game. Believe me, I am trying hard to enjoy it.
Also, Fei long has the best ULTRA in the game. That could potentially tide me over.
Completely incorrect. Just because i can’t hit you with air fire ball, doesn’t mean I can’t land and bait you to do any of those moves so that I can punish. Seriously, Gief loses this matchup.
You have to realize that Akuma doesn’t spam air fireballs for no reason…Zoning is just the beginning, I notice that I as an Akuma player use airfireballs for you to do something that I can bait.
There are times where I get urges to play Zangief in SFIV, but then I remember that it’s not week one or week two of the game being out, and that it’s not fun chasing after people.
hey guys, its been a long time since i post here, i just thought it would be interesting to share some of my thoughts with u guys lol…hope u wont flame on me for posting in one of ur threads again LOL
so there’s this japanese guy who came to bc and he’s pretty much at the same level as me, and he can beat everyone in bc other than my sagat. at most i would just take 6 games out of 10, slightly more than he does. his bison is ridiculous, sometimes he can literally corner rape me taking almost NO DAMAGE at the end of a round.
he tells me that in japan he’s only a below average player, plays around 2 times a week (because he’s a pretty busy guy, a lot of bc players know him) with about 25k BP on his ryu card, and ~15k BP on his bison card because he only played bison for a couple weeks but he learnt from a master rank bison in order for him to be this good. he also played Joe the best C.viper player in japan, getting double perfected in the first 2 rounds and almost perfected in the last round. thats how good the japanese players are.
he tells me that in japan, sagat is top tier, 2nd best character is zangief, then 3rd would be something like balrog/blanka. and 4th tier would be something like bison/ryu. dhalsim is just around mid tier.
the reason why i’ll pointing this out is because the japanese imo, are really really light years ahead of us in this game and their tier list is at least somewhat more reliable than the US tier list, consider how they can bring out full potential of each characters alot better than we can.
this is just my 2 cents, would be nice if there are some debates going on also
I want to see vids of Gief raping.
I realize that Akuma has more than air-fireball, but even if Akuma runs away all day, I don’t think its as much of an uphill battle as some feared it was. I don’t think that Akuma can force action out of Gief as much as some feared he can. Both players can charge their meters pretty fast in a runaway situation. I haven’t seen many non-runaway Gief vs Akuma matches, so I can’t really predict how it would go, but the runaway isn’t over powering. I think this match is a lot about patience.
Not much to debate besides the fact that your whole post is just sounding fan boyish. Everyone is their own person. I never care how much a jap is playing, they are HARDLY light years away from us in SF. You, yourself might have problems Dan, but whos to say some of us might? The only reason Dhalsim is ever considered mid or low tier is because the majority of players is always anti Dhalsim.
Even in ST, where Sim is FINALLY recognized as top tier. Their are only about 6 to 10 players in the WORLD that can play Sim to that potential. In the beggining sim was always considered low tier. Just like he is percieved right now is being low tier. But its because people have more fun playing other chars and dont think of the techinical aspect of sim. Sim has the ability to stop EVERYTHING any character can throw at him.
Sim has always been about the power of the player. Sagat wins cause (like your own style) you can spam out shit safely and play half ass and still get wins. So the ease of playing him and the amount of damage is what they are really rating Tiers on. You brake it down techinically, Rog over shadows Sagat by Far. Sim can handle anything just like ryu can handle anything. Its all about the player.
I already see, in about a year those tiers will be real. Right now its all bullshit. You can preach all you want about what the japs are fuckin doing. But reality is, Online grants us the same type of constant play vs high level players. That was the only difference between US and Japan. So now we have the same access, they are NOT light years ahead.
They have a few elite players just like america has a few elite players and the rest are just climbing the ladder.
Rog > Sagat even in matche ups. Still boggles my mind how jap thinks sagat is number 1. Shits a joke. Bison rocks him, rog destroys him and sim can beat him in his sleep.
Doesnt matter wtf japan is doing, cause when it comes down to it, its gonna be player vs player and the man with no fear and high execution wins.
Cole
Man, I fucking hate japan. Look, I didn’t even bother to capitalize the “j”.
^ I love your posts
For Cole.
The reason I posted that tier list in our section was to get discussion mainly. It wasn’t a list that I was gonna live by or anything like that. The only thing the list did for me was reaffirm my thoughts on Chun Li. Those thoughts are that she can fight anybody and that she doesn’t dominate nor does she get dominated.
But as far as the Japanese go…I used to be one of those players that basically put them on a pedestal and looked to them as the end all be all of fighting games. Not anymore though, cause when it comes to it, punks jump up to get beat down and this is 206 all day everyday. I agree with Cole that the only reason they have/had the edge was because of easy access to other players/styles. Shit if I was one of the people that didn’t live in an area like Seattle, I would either have to fly somewhere, or play online. As opposed to taking like a 2,3 hour train ride. Online isn’t perfect, but it gives us that same access more or less. No longer is distance such a monumental issue. And let’s say that they are light years ahead of us, why wouldn’t that gap shrink any come console? I just think people look to the Japanese instead of just playing and figuring shit out.
Ditto, but odds are you won’t. For as high as he is, I have yet to see anything that makes me believe he should be that high. He’s a high risk/high reward character, and I don’t really understand how he could be rated so highly because those kinda characters are inconsistent by nature. I do think he’s one of the better characters, but not top tier.
I want to see vids of Pablo’s Gief raping.
Beastorizor!
That’s what’s up man, let these trick ass marks know the deal.
I admit, I have not been the most persistent seeker of SFIV youtube vids, but I have yet to come across anything that shows me how gief would be considered so high up. The beta is over, and they toned him down for the final build. J-town is probably still traumatized over that shit though. I just want to see the proof.
The situation is similar to people hyping up certain characters just because random japanese dude #246 won a tournament using the giefster.
How did they tone him down for the final build? I haven’t heard anything?
Beta Gief was HELLA buff, max damage, and lariat beat damn near everything off a jump in.
I agree completely. Often it’s the case that in ANY game people will look to who’s perceived as the “best” and just try to copy and learn from what they’re doing instead of learning the system (whatever it may be, FPS, Fighter, etc). Because by simply learning and watching the best, you’ll never become the best because they will always be one step ahead of you because they CREATED their skills.
By just learning yourself you can be more original and maybe come up with some style or skills that no one has seen before, making you better than the perceived “best”.
206 on the :u:
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Get off the japanese dick