Hahaha no not that link. I mean this http://www.youtube.com/results?filters=today&search_query=chun+li&lclk=today
Searching for uploads in the last 24 hours for Chun Li goodness. It just became a habit for me anyway.
You get better content from the channel imo, 3s and MUGEN excesses aside. You just have to adjust the filters, like so. http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCplns6J4xvU0/feed
Hey guys. I’m a scrub Chun player, well, scrub period, but oh well. Anyways, I finished a match against Hakan earlier in ranked(have no offline scene so online is all I have) where the Hakan player did nothing but that running air throw move. How the heck do I counter that? Soon as I got thrown, I got up and tried different things, blocking even wake-up U2 failed. Soon as Chun was standing he was right there to throw again. What can I do?
Yeah, scrub question, but oh well. Any help would be appreciated.
Do something like cr. lk on wake up because what he’s doing is abusing a quirk in the game where your character is considered to be in a standing state on the 1st frame of wakeup unless you press a crouching normal (which will immediately put you in a crouching state) . That grab only connects on standing or airborne characters, which is why it’s the most useful for him during the opponent’s wakeup due to the quirk.
Unfortunately once you show him you can dodge that, you’ll probably have to deal with the real mixup (meaty pressure, EX grab AND that oil dive throw, etc.).
One other thing you can do if you expect either the oil dive or his EX grab is just EX SBK to get him off of you.
Ok, thanks a lot for the help! I was at a loss the entire time trying to figure out wtf to do against it. Never see Hakan players, so very little experience with it. It was also the first time I’ve seen someone only do that move, the other stuff I’ve learned how to manage, that one just threw me for a loop. Pun intended, =/.
Anyways, thanks again!
No worries LoneWolf.
I also recommend switching to U1 in that matchup. You can Ultra his Oil Ups and sliders even whiffed throw attempts you speak of.
Treat it sort of like you would a E.Honda match; zone full screen away and make him come to you. St. Hp beats him all day on jump ins and keeps you at a safe distance.
He is easy to pressure on wake ups so long as you are smart and don’t risk any wake up pressure or jump ins with either Ultra stocked especially U2 as they both do a stupid amount of damage.
If you are on XBL and would like to do some practice matches hit me up, gamertag is same as my name here.
Just out of curiosity, what would you guys say the chun Hakan match is?
I think ultra David said its 7-3 in hakans favor but IMO its more likely to be 7-3 chun
I used to play on 360, but my (fifth) 360 is on it’s last legs; I kept getting random disconnects during matches so switched to PSn. UnGodlyCarnage is my PSN name.
Never really thought of U1 outside of fireball matches, I prefer the various U2 setups. I will however, try it out in those matches suggested, see it how it goes for me. Really ingrained only to use U1 on fireballers though, will take some getting used to.
I’m in no position to comment on the Hakan match-up, other than to say I hate fighting him lol.
Hakan oiled = really hard for Chun-Li
unoiled = somewhat easier
So I guess it evens out in the end
You can watch the recent Chun vs Hakan match here at 15:08, it really helped me out a lot
wow… I haven’t thought of using ultra 1 to punish Hakan’s oil up’s and i didn’t know you can punish his slides. And yea, there are some non-fireball match-ups that makes ultra 1 useful. I like to use Ultra 1 on zangief to punish his lariat (love it when a gief is on the other side of the screen and he lariats my fireball thinking he is safe) and whiffed command throws. Ultra 1 to punish T-hawks condor dive and whiffed throws. U1 on Blanka to punish his ball moves and a random electricity. U1 on E.honda to punish headbutt. I believe you can punish Ibuki’s kunai throw with U1. And I believe there are other non-fireball match-ups that makes good use of U1.
BTW, can anyone tell me if you are able to punish Rose with U1 when she reflects your fireball?
Yes you can. In fact that’s the set up when you have ultra stored – you want to sucker Rose into reflecting so you’re open to do Ultra. You do have to dash sometimes depending on the distance, though.
Hakan is 7-3 in Chun’s favor. I don’t even know the matchup like that, but they’re pretty free as long as your smart about it. youtube.com/watch?v=5u-tVWJmpD8
Hakan players do not like patient Chun-Li players. It doesn’t hurt to just sit there until the oil runs out. If your gonna punish his oil ups, always dash U1. I don’t really have much advice, but you should watch his meter closely. Slide->fadc.
Punishing Rose reflected fireball with U1 -> Haneyama did it at 5:28 youtube.com/watch?v=kV5vEvSgSXE which is where I learned it.
It’s very much in his advantage when he’s oiled, because of the nature of his oiled normals/specials/focus attack, it’s almost impossible to footsie him. This became important esp since in v2012 he starts each round already oiled. You definitely want to run out his oil time and prevent him from oiling up with the threat of Super/U1.
It’s just that I say it’s even because the advantage/disadvantage swings wildly depending on when he’s oiled or not, plus there are not a lot of good Hakans out there.
Hakan is vastly under represented, but without being biased, I still think it’d be a minimum 6-4 in Chun’s favor. But I don’t know the matchup anyway, so you can disregard my rating.
Sidenote- I’m starting a notebook where I keep all matchup information for Chun ala Infiltration style notes. I don’t know about you guys, but there’s a lot of information/little things to keep per match that I do not always remember. Thank you guys as I’ll be taking a lot of stuff directly from this subforum. I’m training so I can go do some casuals at a tourny next year.
I havent played many Hakans, but I havent seen anything that made me feel threatened even when hes oiled up. It could just be that I havent played people who are really good with him, but I think Chun does a really good job of keeping him out, and he would have to rely on risky things to get in.
She can also stop his oil ups, his focus attack shenanigans when oiled tend to get beat by st.mp->ex legs and others if im not mistaken.
I dont know that I think its actually 7-3 in her favor, I just cant imagine Hakan players liking this match at all. He does better than Geif
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[/quote]I dunno, I watched that video twice and I didn’t get the impression that Hakan player knew the matchup.
I’m using a different reference point (which I watched again twice). I’m not seeing what prevents me from playing footsies with him. I’m honestly trying to look for it but I’m not getting anything. Your really gonna have to elaborate on that one for me. I don’t think it even matters if he’s oiled up when your on a life lead.
That video was more for showing some Chun who knew the matchup and what to do.
Gosh there’s not a lot of v2012 of this particular matchup. It’s not as simple as keeping him out from my experience. That certainly works if you can be patient and wear out his oil.
Oil focus and slide are really good moves. You have to be aware of the various setups into his grabs too. His normals and FA become way better when he’s oiled, and he can close gaps relatively well. Oil mode significantly increases his SPD range too, afaik.
It was easier in Super and AE, but the v2012 “starts with oil” thing really gave him a boost imo. U1 is def what you want to use here, punishes and the full big damage juggle, it is tricky if you only have U2.
Just wanted to show it:
I personally think it is pretty much even, have my doubts that someone gets really destroyed here.
Some things to know:
- EX Oil Shower can be cancelled(also safe against projectiles), I think even LK Oil is safe at a certain distance against U1. I have more problems against U2 Chun by the way, both Ultras of Chun are useful in this matchup, if you ask me.
-> It is more important to keep Hakan meters very low, because of the EX Oil Shower and his EX SPD, which is one of his better options as a reversal. The character also lives with momentum swings.
-About his SPDs:
from the Street Fighter wiki.
This affects his gameplan very much, since a LP SPD can give more Oil(damage isn´t high though) in theory, whereas the other ones give him less Oil, then again more useful setup positions.
-Best antiprojectile move is EX Oil Slide(Oiled).
-A landed Oil Dive gives you the chance for a MK Oil Shower, if he does it on your wakeup, use a crouching normal to let it whiff, but he can get some fuzzy guard setups(Is it the correct term?) after a blocked(found out, even on hit) J.HK for example, where he uses the Oil Dive. Backdashes also get catched by it.
-Don´t use your match experiences against Hakan´s, who don´t play him optimal(Infiltration is also very far away from using him optimal) to rate the matchups, also think about his oki options and the beginning of a match, when you guys try to rate this matchup.
-The focus is more a midrange tool and great against most jump-ins.
-Doing random slides isn´t the right way to play Hakan(they can work sometimes, since they hit low), they can be still FADCed.
-One thing, which could be problematic for Hakan´s opponent is, when he is fullscreen away from the opponent, he can just oil up and also build meter with it, the Oil stacks, what means, it is a bit more recommend to play agressive actually.
-While he can get a lot hard knockdowns and also good setups after it, those setups are, beside J.HK safejumps, not really effective and he is also not great at stunning people.
I don´t know, maybe I forgot something to mention, but if questions are there, always ask me.
Personally, having played against some actually solid Hakan players (UltraDavid included), I think it’s somewhere near like 6.5-3.5 in Hakan’s favor when he has oil (not quite 7-3 but close), and probably something like 6-4 in Chun’s favor when he doesn’t have oil.
Seriously, oiled Hakan is like… the best character in the game.
then the whole “dont let him get oiled up” argument is the same for akuma as in “dont get knocked down” lol