Sup, Apoc. Didn’t even know you moved, man. How long ago was this?
Sup Sean. I moved about 2 months ago, heheh. It’s nice up here so far:D How’z gameland?
Apoc.
I went up there for the first time in a while and they have a couch in front of the DDR machine! I don’t know about the sticks, I just went to confirm something with Dennis and left. What made you leave LV?
Why are you talking about what the average Ryu likes to do?
The average Ryu likes to jump…lol I guess, bu you should be able to beat average players with any character. “Wait for them to jump at you” is a pretty lame strategy, since Ryu never has to jump.
Ryu having to jump in on any character in HF is rare, since he has the best projectile in the game. Guile is the one who ends up having to jump, either straight up or towards.
If Guile is getting pelted with fireballs he has to jump straight up, jump in, or flash kick over one. Whereas Ryu can HK over a sonic boom, which is safer, easier, less timing dependent and can knock down.
Once Ryu is on the defensive he still has some options, Guile’s options are very limited once he is on the defensive, whether he is corner trapped or not.
On a side note, if Ryu whiffs a HK Guile can air-throw it, that’s safer than waiting for it to land then throwing. It’s not easy but it’s actually not that hard if you practice either. (Same with Chun) Plus it looks too skillfull…but Ryu isn’t going to whiff a lot of HK kicks over Guile’s head anyway.
Guile’s big problem is that after trading boom with fireball he can’t knock Ryu over from most ranges, just hit with a fierce or low forward, which puts Ryu into the range he wants to be in. If Ryu gets hit with a backfist he immediately throws a fireball and there isn’t much Guile can do about it, now Ryu is right back where he wants to be. Sure, he took a fierce of damage, but he has the position again.
If you are close enough when you trade blows it’s a lot better to do a low roundhouse with Guile, but it’s hard to get into that range. Knee bazooka is actually a decent choice sometimes too, since it keeps you close.
if you’re an optimal, Japanese sonic boom throwing machine, how big a difference is there between Guile and Ryu’s fireball speed?
Still a big difference. Have you seen the vid of Japanese N. Guile vs. Choi playing O. Sagat? N. Guile has to use a combination of boom, jump straight up and forward hopkick to get around the tiger shots.
If Guile and Ryu are throwing fireballs at each other Guile can maybe match 2 out of 3, but the third he has to jump, FK over or block. There’s just no way Guile can keep up.
Oh no. Here goes again…
Margalis: I’m going to answer your question: “Why are you talking about what the average Ryu likes to do?”
Because 1) I was talking generalities. I am in no position to give advice on how a newcomer will defeat an experienced player - regardless of character. Won’t happen.
Because 2) I’ve played for a LONG time and, when I was hardcore, I studied patterns for a LONG time. I can speak on this subject.
And because 3) No one could determine what an experienced or advanced Ryu would do - too many options to jot down on a msg board. If you don’t agree with that, you must be on a much simpler level. But I’m sure you do agree with me, don’t you? <grin>
Listen up. The bottom line is that I was trying to keep it simple for the newcomers. An average Ryu player WILL jump several times a round (in the SF series games) - check it out for yourself. Of course Ryu never HAS to jump, but he will - 'cause it’s typical. Get it?? Just like you don’t HAVE to post a response to this, but you will - 'cause you’re typical. Get it??
Another rebuttal - Guile does not need to J.up, J.in, or somersault kick (OVER??) Ryu’s FBs. There’s an option we experienced players like to call “blocking”. Again, keep in mind that in a corner trap, blocking is getting you nowhere quick, but in all other situations, it’s a very viable option. Investigate it for yourself - it’ll surprise ya!
“Once Ryu is on the defensive, he still has options. Guile’s options are very limited.” Those two statements of yours can mean the exact SAME THING. They BOTH (Ryu/Guile) still have options, but BOTH of their options are very limited. But maybe that’s what you meant… So you’re saying nothing of consequence.
But see, the capper is where you insinuate that getting hit with the backfist is not that big of a deal. Ryu can throw another FB and get into position?? If that’s your mentality, you’re in for a huge 4-hit headache, buddy. Throw a FB right after getting hit by a backfist… lol! NO. After getting hit by a backfist, Ryu’s best bet usually is to sit there and block to see what’s next. At that range, throwing a FB is not good.
(Just for the newcomers, I’ll explain: Once hit by the backfist, Ryu is pushed back a little - and typically the distance ends up being a tad bit longer than <round start> position. Here’s the thing - at that range, as soon as Guile sees Ryu’s intention (recoil) on throwing a FB, Guile simply jump attacks with a combo of choice. Done deal. But really, Margalis knows better than that… I’m sure. He just wasn’t thinking straight.)
First Margalis, your general mindset seems to be to think that if you knockdown your opponent, you have the advantage. Like I said, you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either. Isn’t it safer to say, “Knockdown your opponent and you have the OPTION of being offensive (or resetting defense)”??
In any event, you don’t need to concentrate on knocking down your opponent just to get on the offensive or to have good position, etc. Using the faster backfist vs the trip up (roundhouse) is a matter of preference.
And just out of curiosity, if you trip up Ryu with Guile’s roundhouse, what would you intend to do next? Explain to us the major advantage of this please.
I do have to say that I like your interest in the old SF series games. Just make sure you know your stuff before you disagree with things. It won’t make you feel the way you’re feeling right now. Friendly advice.
yeah stop attacking others who disagrees with you. Monkey see, monkey do.
really? you were hardcore? Is that before or after you called everyone a geek for playing in tournaments?
Nope. Most of your posts are atleast 3-4 paragraphs but you can’t jot down a few options for ryu? Damn, what the hell is this thread for?
It’s so simple even good players don’t understand you. You’re alotta help thx.
Wow, blocking. Now that’s some 1337 shit.
Wrong! That’s Two different sentences with two different meanings.
Right! scrubs generally sit there and do nothing cause they don’t know what to do most of the time.
You should have said “just for the retarded”. But I think most people skipped that phase of SF unlike you.
If I don’t knockdown, how the hell can I use those invincible jumping jabs? But I bet you wouldn’t know what I’m talking about because you’re still blocking.
There’s so many but the most basic is to throw a SB for block dmg. But you wouldn’t know what to do next since you block all the time.
What stuff doesn’t he know? oh, you mean ryu gets pushed back when he gets hit or learning how to block? lol Ok thx.
C’mon, where do these goons come from?
My post, although a bit harsh, was at least a bit informative.
Alphastorm: I’m sure Margalis appreciates your enthusiasm to be his girlfriend and help him out, but I’m sure he’d rather respond for himself if he deems it necessary.
And sure, you can post your own ideas, but… you posted more of my material than you did your own. It seems to readers that you have no original ideas - and probably not capable of any original ideas. Alphastorm, you’re better than that.
Just to humor you, I’ll respond and try to be informative at the same time. Let me show you how to do that ('cause it looks like you have a tough time with that).
Posting the several options in a battle between Ryu/Guile would take a LONG post - and that’s an understatement. Plus, I’m sure it’s been done somewhere before… so those who are looking for it should just do a search.
The reason for the sarcasm with “blocking” was that Margalis didn’t list it as an option. Typically, blocking and SBs are the best options for nullifying a FB. Jumping is an option depending on circumstances. My point is that you don’t have to jump over FBs. It’s okay to consider blocking as a primary option.
“Once Ryu is on the defensive, he still has options… although they are very limited. Guile’s options are very limited also.” I didn’t change the meaning of the two original sentences, I simply added additional (and reasonable) information. Is that a little simpler for you Alphastorm? If you need a little more help with English, please refer to your local public school system. Don’t worry, they’ll put you in a special class so that you can start with the basics if you need… But I think you understand. <grin>
And you’re somewhat correct. Scrubs sit there and do nothing because they don’t know what to do most of the time. But does waiting to see what is going to happen next scrubby all of the time?? <I’d love to hear your answer> Do you just jump around and throw FBs without getting an idea of what your opponent is going to do first? I wouldn’t put it past you, Alphastorm. But I think you’re on your own on this one. LOL. Margalis, back him up on this, would ya?.. <I don’t think so>
Here’s where you gave yourself up, Alphastorm. You knockdown your opponent and the option that you suggest is to throw a SB for block damage. Read it again… a SB for BLOCK DAMAGE… would be your suggested option. Sure, take advantage of an entire PIXEL of energy! Hmmm…
This is where you make a decision Alphastorm. Either you can admit to yourself that you weren’t thinking straight, or you ACUTALLY would suggest throwing a SB for BLOCK DAMAGE. This will show the folks how intelligent you really are. Either you’re smart enough to know that you’re dumb, OR you’re too dumb to even realize that you’re dumb… strategically, of course.
Don’t ignore it - it’s one OR the other… Choose please.
ps - SEE? I explained myself and humbled you at the SAME TIME. WOW!
Side note: In all seriousness Alphastorm, I’m not attacking your person when I say that you’re dumb. I’m just speaking of video game strategy. That’s all this msg board is about… video games. Cool?
From your posts it’s pretty obvious you’re the only goon here.
C’mon Reza-O… you just don’t like my style. But how about the info… it’s all about the info, right? Am I right??
Plus, if I’m a goon, what are these other guys? “Ordinary, good-natured-folks-who-happen-to-be-less-knowledgeable-than-goons?”
If you put me down, you’re putting them… “down-er”. LOL! Is that a word, Alphastorm?.. (j/k)
ghgh: Damn you are retarded. You still don’t get why I lashed out on you?
I’ll humor you and reply to one of your many stupid replies:
First, go read my post. I said there are many options. I gave you a very basic one so you could comprehend it. Learn my basic strat cause it’s far superior to yours:
After knockdown:
- my basic strat does block dmg
- you just block and see what opp will do.
Ok I win!
Alphastorm: You’re right! Your basic strat does block damage! LOL!! Then, YOU WIN!! YEAH!!! I’ll learn your basic strat 'cause, not only is it better than my strat, it’s better than ANYONE’s strat!! WOW!!
(For some reason, I feel that now I’m communicating with you!)
FOR REAL?? You’re gonna stick with the BLOCK DAMAGE idea as your SUGGESTED option?!? LOL!!!
(Hint: Say, “what I meant was to throw a SB to put my opponent on the defensive” or SOMETHING!! You’re making yourself look… mentally sub-par, if you know what I mean. I’m trying to help YOU out, brother.)
Again you can’t read. It’ far superior to your strat. Not everyone elses. Most players don’t hold back and block after they knockdown their opp. And don’t use the word “brother” or I’ll have to associate you with Dr.B. Oh wait, too late…
LOL…I guess I’m not as “hardcore” as you, what is this strange “blocking” strat you speak of? Scrub…so you block every third fireball and match the other two…we call that “losing.”
And yes, you can FK over a fireball. Investigate for yourself…you would know the value of that if you had any clue.
Ha…I’m feeling like you are a total moron. Either that or you are the alter-ego of some real player trying to be funny.
There’s no point showing how wrong you are, because I know for a fact that every real HF player can see for themselves. Your “hardcore” strats are jump over fireballs and combo, and wait for Ryu to jump because Ryu always jumps…lol. Oh yeah, and just keep blocking fireballs, that’s a sure win strategy.
The info…like just keep blocking the fireballs and wait for Ryu to jump…lol.
Everyone: Obviously this moron is a just a troll or some joke alter-ego, just ignore him. Anyone who thinks that blocking fireballs is a “hardcore” strat has some mental issues. (Oh, is that what down/back if for?)
If you want to beat Ryu, just do what this dumbfuck says - get him in the corner, hit him a bunch, and FK him when he jumps. Hey guess what, that works on every character! Guile is the best!
Just be agressive man! If he throws a fireball, jump over and combo him! Or just block it! It’s that easy!
lol…ha ha, good for a laugh, if nothing else.
Yup - what’d I tell ya… Margalis responds. Typical. Couldn’t resist could ya?
Margalis: Unfortunately, we may need to pair you up with your girlfriend, Alphastorm, when it comes to English class.
Simple question - did you read somewhere that I suggest blocking every third FB and matching the other two with SBs? Or maybe your reading comprehension needs a little brushing up?
Or did I just say that blocking is a very viable option?
And, yes, you are right… again. You can somersault over a FB - especially by using the RH somersault (pretty early). Um… why? So as to leave yourself completely vulnerable on the way down? Like I said, I’m beginning to wonder about you and your special friend, Alphastorm. Strategically, you guys may be on the same level… what do you think? (If “No,” then what’s wrong with Alphastorm?? If “Yes,”… well… um… )
Although I never said that it was a “hardcore” strategy, yes, jumping over FBs and landing an attack is a great idea… especially when Ryu blindly throws FBs (a strategy that Alphastorm and yourself seem to suggest). Wouldn’t you agree? If you knew an opponent was habitually chucking FBs as his strategy, you wouldn’t take advantage by timing a J.attack and landing a combo??
Question: What would you do instead? Let’s hear your strategy on this one please.
Question 2: Do you agree with Alphastorm regarding his strategies that a) waiting for a reaction is scrubby and b) his SUGGESTED option for a downed opponent is to throw a SB for BLOCK DAMAGE?
No animosity - just answer the questions please. Thanks!!
IMPORTANT: I specifically stated that I listed strategic points… not a gameplan that will guarantee you victory. I hope no one considers the points I list to be anything more than general hints for this particular matchup.
I’m sick of responding to your obvious stupidity, and you were the one who came in with attitude. Maybe Apoc would like to take over for a while. As I said, anyone who plays the game knows how silly your “strategies” are. And you expect us to believe you are a hardcore player even though you play against local scrubs, have not gone to any tournies or played any tourney level players. Another local scrub who beat up some other local scrubs and thinks he’s hot shit - how original.
FYI buddy, throwing a boom at someone as they wake up then walking behind it is a better strategy than doing nothing. You heard it here first.
I’m done with you, unless you want to play for money, in which case I’ll gladly take whatever you’ve got.
The strategies that I suggest are only guidelines. They may seem basic, but the info is intended for newcomers. Oh, and you’ll be surprised how many times “basic” will win the game.
I’m disappointed in Margalis. I said no animosity - just answer two simple questions. He couldn’t. Typical, I guess… shouldn’t surprise me.
By the way, throwing a SB and walking behind… so as to be on the offensive and put your opponent on guard… is a decent tactic. I use it. However, what about throwing a SB for BLOCK DAMAGE as Alphastorm mentioned???
I’m sure Margalis won’t answer. It’s typical. And if I can predict his actions in real life, think about how easily I’d be able to predict his lil’ ol’ video game strategy. And he says he would play for money… lol!
Is it a good idea to bet on something you know nothing about? Is that intelligent or IGNORANT?
<watch this…>
Throwing a SB and walking behind will result in doing block dmg dumbo. I’m sorry that wasn’t clear to you but any 5 yr. old kid could figure that one out. Goes to show, most trolls don’t think, they just spam.