Seth Killian on Gen

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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that the thing with gen you can beat the living crap out of some one for most of the match but you fuck one time, it could be the end for you. well you can say the same thing about ibuki or cody since their defense sucks too, but the main difference is that both cody and ibuki do great damage and pressure for having terrible defense. for other low stamina characters with low damage they usually have great escape moves like seth or are really hard to get in. that would be chun li, god i hate her so much.

just having great normals is not going to cut it out in a match. i dont mind if gen special are still low damage but i think he his normals should be up for that reason, if they want to keep them unsafe.

i cant say what wrong with crane style, other then his roll being total useless outside of a combo. should just make it go under fireballs or faster since it so easy to react too.

sry if i am rambling on but since i been messing with a lot of different characters and watching a lot of high level play i can see a character good points.

gen got great tools but it they need to be tweak to be able benefit what ever style capcom trying to make him.

course maybe im talking out my ass, im not that good and im just started playing local. so maybe there some great thing that i missing from this version of gen, but i cant seem to find it compare to the other characters.

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I think it would fit gen, if they stick him to low dmg but higher stun.

btw hands needs a serious dmg buff. compare it to hundred slaps or lightning kicks… like WHAT?

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hmm are you sure that would be good for gen, stun in sf4 not like sf2. it get scale real hard after a combo, but maybe it would help him out in the long run.

i do agree on his hands getting a damage buff, if they wanted him to be able to cancel into hands from so many things. then it would need damage worth while to use it, because on how far the hands push back now. If capcom kept the damage the same. i would only hands to keep my opponent off me and use gekiro for a damage combo.

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Hunderd Slaps dmg should be higher damage than both Gen and Chun as he’s a bigger character. Funny how Chun’s light does more damage than Honda’s light. But I totally agree, Gen’s hands should do a bit more damage at least the HP version.

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I never insult, and I play daily, I just don’t play people from America for obvious reasons. Cute rant though, if not a little hypocritical with all the cursing in it. Also, I retired because I had summer school to catch up on some stuff before entering medical school. There is more to life than SF.

‘End of story’

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why do you have t ruin my view of life? T_t t_t t_t t_t t_t

: D

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Illusoyun is correct. The problem with this forum is that you guys whine too much about how your character sucks (Which I personally maintain that he really doesn’t, but that’s another topic in itself). Bring more information to the table and get better at your character and the game instead of talking about his weaknesses (which are really mostly your weaknesses as a player).

To sum it up. Play more post less.

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real talk, a few people here whine and bitch about how gen sucks in pretty much every post of theirs. i’m not gonna name names, but its pretty obvious.

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real talk, a few people here whine and bitch about how gen sucks in pretty much every post of theirs. i’m not gonna name names, but its pretty obvious.

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It’s not just the people here. People all over the world seem to have come to the same conclusion. The lack of Gens in any tournament further reinforces these notions.

I’m not saying that makes whining any more constructive, but practicing with him isn’t exactly going to change results too drastically.

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The people here are the only ones actively bringing it up time and time again. Time to get over it and l2p.

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Regardless, the problem is that alot of people need a rolemodel so to say. They used to find it in Yeb, Jibbo etc. Now Gen doesn’t really have an actual example and this is reflecting on people’s opinion on Gen at the moment. People will either need to step up their own game and go out there to tournaments etc with Gen.

Without an example (and in gens case, big names dropping him) to look up to and admire, people are losing faith in the character without trying to themselves. It is true that this section might aswell be renamed to the Emo section; discuss post-hardcore bands here!

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I’d say rokotsu (sp?) is quite well-known around here. He’s pretty much the closest thing to a role-model Gen players can get at the moment and I’d say he’s doing a good job at it.

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i dont think there is much bitching going on, it just we keep having forum post on the changes that could be giving to gen.

plus most of the changes posted are usually something small and very reasonable.

yea rokotsu pretty much the only person im really looking for in videos. plus the whole gen sucks was the same view people had of him in vanilla. he was high mid in my view, and he stayed low tier for the whole time vanilla was out.

i do agree a lack of info for gen. plus i do very well in the ranbats im starting to go. i have 3 people i want to be able to beat with my gen in Oklahoma which is a gouken, honda and boxer. the honda and brain is always seem to be in the top, and the gouken seems to know what he doing.

if capcom wants to keep gen like he is in super it would be okay with me, but he needs his escape option so he can be able to survive longer in the game.

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Honestly, all this “AE Changes to whatever character” threads are completely useless in the immediate. This has zero bearing on what we have to work with now, and frankly, it takes our minds off the subject at hand, which is in-depth strategy on SSF4 Gen.

I appreciate that people come in and post about this stuff and keep things interesting, but the whining is just unbelievable. Just play the game and post your findings and add to the community when you can. Most importantly add constructive criticism/ opinion to the threads. I look at the combo/match-up/video sections of the forum, and the Gen section looks like a bunch of children whining and comparing d*ck sizes. IN the combos section, add useful combos, discuss combo variations/ then add them to the first post so that all the info we need is available to new Gen players, so that learning Gen isn’t some sort of journey into the unknown. Same with the video sections, I see just as much complaining about, Oh, you shouldn’t do that, that is a “no-no” blah blah blah. Man, shut up, post constructive responses, add to the conversation and help fellow Gen players level up.

And again, I would LOVE to see this much effort put into the other parts of the Gen forum. Really, there are match-ups that haven’t been written on yet. I’d go as far as to say, each mach up should have a thread, with all the information from that thread gathered at on the first post and updated as things go on. If we are really having a hard time winning with Gen, match-up knowledge is how we fix this shit.

At this point, really, either get better and quit bitching, or switch characters. The last thing the Gen player-base needs is a contingency of nay-sayers giving the rest of the population excuses for not winning matches. That gets us nowhere really f*cking fast.

/rant

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actually I think gen is one of the most developed forums out there

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you must be joking right? Go look at the chun forums, akuma forums, abel, dudley, the list goes on. There are scrubs in every forum putting out generally useless or misleading information. But in these forums people take the initiative to work this stuff out and post everything that is good and solid. Working out the gimmicks. Not so much here. People are still using vanilla combos. People jump all day. Generally this place is filled with scrubs that play matches only doing what they want to do, they aren’t playing the opponent, they aren’t playing the game. LK or ex gekiro after a roll is GIMMICKY. The only time it’s ok to use this is if you’ve trained someone to push buttons after a roll. Oga shenanigans are GIMMICKY with the exception of true cross-up ogas because that is a real mix up. Sitting at the other side of the screen sitting on down back so you can do an oga is not good play.

Gen is one of the most underdeveloped forums out there. I’ve thought about posting up articles to level up this place. But generally the players here don’t even have the basics down yet. So it’d be a mostly worthless venture.

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then go check cody for instance… there are various other underwhelmed subforums. top tier characters attract many ppl, in particular “posterboy” characters like ryu, chun, ken etc. it’s natural that a big community will spawn a great amount of threads. compare the “main posters” of this forum with the amount of the others. In terms of quanity of users / information, gen forum is major.

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Don’t get me wrong, what’s here is useful, but there really is not enough back and forth to develop the player-base. There are so many days I stop by and I can tell before I even get in here that there wont be any updates. It’s freaking absurd.

Frankly it bums me out to even complain about it, because I SHOULD be contributing, but I know my level is not high enough to make much impact, but I can’t lie, I worry that some of the more frequent posters would just blow me off, like they have in the past. The general consensus seems to be that if you haven’t won some tournys or posted videos or fathered some Gen technique, then your opinion isn’t worth shit. I play lots of matches and I am sure I can at least add something, but the environment is not in any way shape or form focused on improving the amount of knowledge we have on Gen, and seems to be more focused on bitching and complaining about how Seth needs to do this or that.

These are the tools you have to work with. Learn them and get good with them. Really the beauty or SRK as a community is that it hive-minds the accumulated knowledge of a game/character/match-up and raises the skill level of the whole community. That is awesome. For some stupid reason we aren’t making that happen here and that is just sad.

Zukuu: no disrespect, i know you add a lot to this forum, but I don’t give a shit about comparing the knowledge we have on cody/ryu/chun whomever. That is not the point. We need to stop getting into THESE kinds of discussions and start talking Gen. All this time we are talking about THIS is time we could be looking for ways or at least discussing match-ups and strats. This kind of bs is not helpful in any way.

It’s just bothersome to me that the only thing that gets responses in the Gen forum nowadays is forums where we bitch and argue. it’s BS and this is why I don’t post here despite the fact that I main Gen and have been for quite some time now. It is almost to the point that coming here is a freaking detriment. All I hear is how “you don’t pick Gen to win” Gen doesn’t have the tools" blah blah blah. Fine, if that is how people feel, that is great, but for those of us who want to play him and want to Win, then there should be a place where the atmosphere isn’t hampered by a bullshit defeatist attitude, and of all places, that safe, productive, progressive place should be here. It’s not a wonder no one plays gen, you come here and the first thing you see is, “Gen is hard to pick up, he is totally nerfed and you don’t pick him to win” well shit, that is more than enough reasons to move the hell on.

Really, all this is time we should be using on increasing our match-up knowledge on any character… like guile … sheesh.

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I think noone wouild have to be scared of adding some info even tho the own skill is not pro. with the help of the community, every thread / topic can go int he right direction. So post away all you have / find.

I, myself don’t even play gen THAT often, nor am I “very” good with him. I just like him and use him 2nd most (tho that place is shared with some other). But gen (along with cody) is the only character I care for, participate in forums and go to lab to test stuff. Theory and practice are skills that go along, but don’t have to be at the same level. So if you’ve knowledge but drop every link, there is no point not to share this knowledge even tho you suck at actual playing.

Also I agree that we’ve to focus more on actuall gameplay discussion. One problem is that if a topic spawns (like j.lk as a2a or a new crossup found) it just gets not minded and ignored.

I’d really like that thebook24 (now wakatteru) and redwulf post more stuff, since they’re one of the more experienced and sucessful players.