Seth Killian on Gen

If Gen becomes a top character like he was in alpha, then it will change the whole dynamic of the Street Fighter 4 series in tournament play and Capcom doesn’t want unknown GEN players beating out their SCENE street Fighter players.

They must always Consider how Daigo can make it to the finals at EVO every year.

Who would watch Gen vs Gen in the EVO finals besides all 9 of us Gen players?

What? This post makes no sense. Daigo will be in the finals regardless of who he plays or who is top tier.

Gen’s frame traps are good. The only problem is that the follow-ups are somewhat sluggish or risky on hit. I’d like to have that changed, should he go into Cody’s direction.

He CAN punish “idiotic” play, by the way. You just have to consider: is the opponent doing move X because it worked for him before, or because he doesn’t know any better?

im just saying gen not a frame trap character. when i play gen i try to play more footies then worry about getting them into a frame trap. so i see gen as a footies character, but he gets little reward even doing that.

at least if they build gen into a frame trap pressure monster like cody, it would be more like his alpha pressure.

gen isnt a threat until he has a full bar.

problem is getting that full bar before your opponent kills you

I completely disagree with this.

The biggest problem with Gen is he doesnt have safe specials that follow-up his pokes that allow him to maintain pressure. for instance, Chun can crouch mp/option select HAZAN SHUU. Its a safe way to close the distance and apply pressure. Ryu has the same with c.mk EX F.B.

To fix this is make Gens lp roll safe on block, and reduce the charge time. This would open up a whole new way to play with Gen. Bison has this with lk scissor kick, along with a free escape. Gen not only is missing both of these, he used to have an escape that wasn’t free, and he also has less health/stun/priority etc. etc.

Capcom needs to decide to make a SSf4 Gen and give him the right tools to make him a complete Character, or give him his alpha style of play back along with his chain combos. One rumor that I’ve heared about him having target combos is good news, but in essence thats changing him into a completely different type of character again. So ultimately the hardest character to master isn’t because hes about learning two different fighting styles, but because everytime you start to figure him out Capcom is gonna change him.

Capcom Sh*t or get off the pot!!!

i honestly don’t know what you’re trying to argue here.

first of all, gen still has mk xx hands. its safe, its a followup to his poke. it doesn’t allow him to maintain pressure anymore, but neither does ryus c.mk xx red fb. that leaves ryu him at a disadvantage and also pushes the opponent back. also, roll is already safe against most of the cast.

you can disagree all you want, but fact of the matter is that gen is not a threat at all until he has a full bar.

mk xx hands is a shadow of its former self. he lost his old mantis jump. whats there to be scared of when facing gen aside from him gaining a full bar? cuz once gen gets a full bar, almost any hit he lands will do at least 35% plus followups

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you can disagree all you want, but fact of the matter is that gen is not a threat at all until he has a full bar.

mk xx hands is a shadow of its former self. he lost his old mantis jump. whats there to be scared of when facing gen aside from him gaining a full bar? cuz once gen gets a full bar, almost any hit he lands will do at least 35% plus followups[/quote]

I think your problem is your still in SF4 Gen mode. He is a completely diff character now. He has many tools that dont require any meter. His lk Gekiro is so much better than before, his wall dives are better (even though they are almost usless still) his normals are extremely good now. I think people are rating Gen too much to online play (where Gen is almost complete garbage). Thats only because Online is all about specials, and offline is all about normals. Gen has some of the best normals and some of the worst specials, so naturally hes horrible to play online with.

So to answer your question. If your playing onlne, then you dont have too much to be afraid of, but maybe his Genanigans, throw range, and lk/EX Gekiro.

But offline Gen has those same tools along with great normals, and an Ultra set up that can counter every character.

And hey, I’m not arguing to be jerk, I’m just defending Gen a little. At least with my experience, and hope you can see that there is a lot more to Gen than mk-hands and mantis jump. I miss them too!!!

About the safe lp roll thing. Can’t you space it in away you can make it safe? Like Fei long’s rekkas?

He means on block. Ryu can LP SRK it on block. Just to name one of the punishes.

St.mk hands is safe pressure that can be easily hit confirmed into a 300 dmg fadc combo. That’s pretty dang good pressure if you ask me…

st.mp xx hazanshu is not safe and not a good way to close the distance. Only scrub chuns use this a lot and good chuns only use it when they’re desperate for something to come back with.

To be good with Gen… You need incredible defense. You need to be able to react to the smallest of openings with your most defestatig combo in your aresenal. You need to know your frame data so you can counter as many moves as possible. Plus you must learn how to poke very well. SO until you can do all of these thing’s stop bytching about Gen pls. because when You can do all of these thing’s you’ll be a complete beast with Gen. He reall as of right now has all of the tool’s to win. It’s YOU that is not good enough. Honestly just face it. He has more options then anyother character in the game they aren’t perfect but they are there.

Is this illusoyun a joke character/troll?

Basically everytime he posts, it contains flat out wrong information, I’m starting to think he’s doing it on purpose. No one is that stupid…

Obvious troll is obvious

Akuma smashed his keyboard when he read that statement.

@warlike… Ayo… stay retired. Or better yet, come out of retirement and play me so I can finally shut your disrespectful mouth. Crying about gen in the forum 24/7 seriously it does you so0o0o0o0ooo much good try practicing more and moaning an bitching less. The fact that you’re a quitter is evidence enough that you’re not good enough to win with him. Period. End of story you help out here but 9 times out of 10 you’re crying like a woman and/or insulting someone grow the hell up.
@kahmos… whatever.

@mattmcfly -you’re right akuma does have more options but Gen has ALOT. I mean ALOT of options that if you have the patience and learn everything he has to offer you can get really far with him. It just takes mastering your character. You can’t pick him up and spam a few 1 link combo’s and do your invincible fadc for the win. It takes patience Good defense and capatilizing on mistakes.

I’ll state my opinion whenever I feel like it if you disagree do so. but if I never disrespected you why would you do so to me? Because we’re on the internet. Grow up and be a man or turn your ps3 on and let your skills do the talking.

Totally agree with this.

Well, it’s true that Gen has the most options. Compare his amount of moves to any other character in the game.
Of course some moves are fairly useless and/or downright dangerous, but since you get quoted on everything in here…

And PLEASE duke it out online, grumpy old men. You know who you are. It’s heading more towards bashing/flaming, rather than just correcting some statements yourself. Which I believe should be the intention on this subforum, as we are here with few experienced people anyway. You don’t like each other? Fine. Just keep it your private business.

You’re right… I’d rather be amongst peers then enemies. I understand Gen is difficult and frustrating but the countless crying isn’t going to help. I’m simply giving my perspective of the character is there something wrong with my doing that? I don’t have any illwill towards anyone, I mean it’s just a game albeit the best game ever but still a game.

gen always had good normals, but that alone won’t make you a good character. just look at vega in vanilla sf4 or even t hawk and makoto in ssf4. i’ve always said before that gen did gain some buffs, but he received more nerfs than buffs.

what does all those good normals lead to when he doesnt have a full bar? hardly any damage.

dunno why you bring up online play into account as it means diddly squat.