Seth Killian Leaving Capcom

[jedpossum]

You understand how important getting publisher funding is, right?

Skullgirls wasn’t trying to be on console in the early development process. That changed when mike z got in to the picture.

[girlystyle]

But Capcom games seem to be the only ones that have that “pull” for people.

Most of the posters in here can cry all they want, but it’s not Capcom’s fault that people don’t play the games they like.

Some games have their decently sized communities (Tekken, MK) while others are almost nonexistent (VF, MB, SG, BB).

People have to stop acting like everybody just blows off these games because they don’t have a Capcom logo on them.

Plenty of people try out all the games I’ve mentioned. For whatever reason, they just didn’t like them and went back to what they were playing.

If you want your scene to grow, stop acting like crabby old men, get off your asses, and promote it.

Without bashing other scenes.

hey man its more complicated then that.
although I agree with some of your points, people HAVE been trying to promote those smaller scenes, for years.
its not like everyone in those scenes are complaining whiney idiots who try to force their games down others throats, its just a vocal minority, and their
are people like that for every game, including capcom.

You simply can’t completely ignore the power of corporate branding on products. I know some people who straight up won’t try some games because they don’t say Capcom on them. Like, that was their reasoning.

Some people don’t drink Pepsi because it ain’t Coke.

[Ephidel]

…Dude, what is up with your av?

pretty self explanatory?

[Huggy_Bear]

But Capcom games seem to be the only ones that have that “pull” for people.

Most of the posters in here can cry all they want, but it’s not Capcom’s fault that people don’t play the games they like.

Some games have their decently sized communities (Tekken, MK) while others are almost nonexistent (VF, MB, SG, BB).

People have to stop acting like everybody just blows off these games because they don’t have a Capcom logo on them.

Plenty of people try out all the games I’ve mentioned. For whatever reason, they just didn’t like them and went back to what they were playing.

If you want your scene to grow, stop acting like crabby old men, get off your asses, and promote it.

Without bashing other scenes.

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I see the same god damn argument every single time. Every single one of those games, especially BB, VF and MB have huge scenes. It’s just that they don’t all exist in this “Mecca” that is America. Unfortunately, America / Japan is the place to be for FG’s. There is no argument there, but “Stop acting like crabby old men, get off your asses, and promote it”

Yeah cool, Let me book that Cross-Continental flight to play videogames with you.

I would say it’s ignorance, but that’s too far. It’s just that those scenes do not exist in America. I can play Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Skullgirls and even Arcana Heart locally, and I live in England. I’m sure it’s the same for France too.

Sorry if that is what you already meant, but I hear this argument all the time and it drives me insane. Just because it’s not Capcom / EVO / Mega Bucks does not mean the scene does not exists. I’m typing this whilst genuinely butthurt. Have another flip

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[Sho_Nuff]

hey man its more complicated then that.
although I agree with some of your points, people HAVE been trying to promote those smaller scenes, for years.
its not like everyone in those scenes are complaining whiney idiots who try to force their games down others throats, its just a vocal minority, and their
are people like that for every game, including capcom.

You simply can’t completely ignore the power of corporate branding on products. I know some people who straight up won’t try some games because they don’t say Capcom on them. Like, that was their reasoning.

Some people don’t drink Pepsi because it ain’t Coke.

I understand that, but acting like whiny bitches certainly won’t help your scene grow.

People are going to play what they want to play. There’s no reason to hate on them for it.

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Well, the only thing you can do is just deal with it and keep playing with the people you’re already playing with. Some games just don’t catch on in America like they do in other places, and vice versa.

[Number_13]

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*fits the mood of this thread

SFxT made trouble with Ono-san and now Seth Killian? Make that double trouble indeed…

[Kusanagi02]

I like how people are thinking that with Seth leaving Capcom is a sinking ship when they’re not. The way i see it this puts them in a position to change things in the company for the better(MAYBE).
We don’t know why he left and he more likely wanted to do something different for a change of pace.
I don’t know at this point, Capcom isn’t fucked nor are they done for. People really need to knock it off with the conspiracy theory BS.

[girlystyle]

I understand that, but acting like whiny bitches certainly won’t help your scene grow.

People are going to play what they want to play. There’s no reason to hate on them for it.

i 100% agree, but very few people act like ‘whiney bitches’, as i mentioned, its just a vocal minority. lots of people in those niche communities (from my experience) show the game they love, explain why they love it, try to get people play a few games, and then take it from their.

there is no reason to disrespect someone if they try something and then have legitimate reason as to why they do not like it. nothing can be done there. i was referring to the people who have never tried it, and are judging based on brand, not content, which certainly does happen. can’t help but lose respect for someone when they pull shit like that.

[Huggy_Bear]

Seth will just be replaced by a corporate robot. Thats not good for anybody.

[Havatchu]

You underestimate man’s capacity for stupidity.

SFxT was announced in July 2010. Inafune left in October 2010, and I’m not sure what he has to do with SFxT anyway.

He had nothing to do with it, I just was talking about people leaving Capcom in general.

[Ouroborus]

fixed

i never said that sf4 didnt brought new players, i only pointed that it didnt revive the fgc since it wasnt dead to begin with, it was stale, more or less because the american fgc depends only of what capcom produce under the name of sf or mvc and ignores everything else in the market.
im not going to be surprised that when capcom stops making new fgs, there would be another “drought”, because everyone woud still keep ignoring the other games until capcom “revives” (your words) the genre and the fgc again.
porving my point, that the only reason that the genre and fgc “die” its because the fgc lets that to happen reducing their options to a little amount of games due to brand loyalty

maybe if other fighting game makers appealed to the american fgc, then it wouldn’t be ignored. the american fighters base is an afterthought to guilty gear, arcana heart and kof developers. more than half of these is either arcade based (arcades are dead) or needs to be imported (hopefully a dumbass like you should know why this is a bad idea).

im pretty sure that he never said that, now, what i actually know is that ono said that if it wasnt because arcsys’s battle fantasia sf4 would never been produced
since bf showed that it was possible to make a 2d fg with 3d graphics

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3791/saving_street_fighter_yoshi_ono_.php?page=3

you’re pretty sure because you ASSume everything.

of course that they would have to step up their game, but that would happened sooner or later, the only difference is that since sf4 got the attention they had to do it sooner,

if you really thought that ed boon would actually step up his shit, you’re more dumb than i thought or you’re delirious.

also the fatc that those games were bad or good is out of the question, they still outsell the numbers that sf4 or mvc3 have move on their own

because outselling another game is more important than anything else. yeah, sure guy.

[El_Chupa_Negro]

Seth will just be replaced by a corporate robot. Thats not good for anybody.

Seth gets replaced by SETH aww fuck

[Warpticon]

He had nothing to do with it, I just was talking about people leaving Capcom in general.

Okay, but you were replying to a post that said “Damn SFxT got everybody leaving…” so it kinda doesn’t make sense if you just meant leaving Capcom in general.

[Daidalus]

People are going to play what they want to play.

the amount of players that said that they play what has more competition despite they like it or not says otherwise

There’s no reason to hate on them for it.

and no one is hating them for that
what many hate though is the stupid notion that there was a drought in fg, when it wasnt, and that if capcom stops producing new fg there would be a new drought, despite other companies would keep making new games
maybe you think that its exagerated but brand loyalty is something that is very strong when the major part of people decides to buy and play something
also it doesnt help that there is a lot of misinformation regarding the other games, where you have a lot of people calling them mash fest, lol animu and stuff like that, bashing them on regular basics and stuff like that
bonus points for all the people that hate on them without playing those games at least once

[KumaOso]

The games themselves can carry a healthy tournament scene because they are good, but they are missing the sheep-like mentality and the pop-culture relevance necessary for FG success in the west.

Don’t forget that Americans hate not only learning but actually working for anything.

Real talk fellas: while Capcom has become corporate scumbags, this is pretty much a problem with the gaming industry as a whole right now. Nobody innovates anything anymore, all the execs see is dollar signs and so they all produce the “safest” products (IE: Cawadoody clones and the like) and I believe a lot of gamers are starting to get tired of it. Because really, Cawadoody is fine and all, but if we wanted to play that game we’d play that damn game. DLC is also killing this industry, at least the way the developers are handling it nowadays. Devs everywhere are half-assing their releases and piecemealing out what used to be unlockable content as “DLC”. Gamers are also getting fed up with shit. And, as usual, the corporate suits are about 3-5 years behind the public’s perception. Maybe, just maybe, this SFxT debacle will teach Capcom a lesson about putting care into your products and not rushing out a half assed release. But more likely it’ll scare them off from the fighting genre again. We’ll see though.

There are a couple reasons why we have this going on.

1. The economy is shit and new IPs are always a risk regardless of medium, but this is far too true for videogames.
2. Companies bend themselves too much for the customers who don’t really know what they want AND don’t know what’s out there.
3. You’ve got people in the board of directors that are in it for the money. Their passion is not in making games but just making money. Not only that, but it seems that most companies, minus Nintendo who’s a weird but lovable company, don’t have developers in that group.

In my opinion, companies are taking the path of least resistance and are too scared to try something new like they used to.

[xes]

I like how people are thinking that with Seth leaving Capcom is a sinking ship when they’re not. The way i see it this puts them in a position to change things in the company for the better(MAYBE).
We don’t know why he left and he more likely wanted to do something different for a change of pace.
I don’t know at this point, Capcom isn’t fucked nor are they done for. People really need to knock it off with the conspiracy theory BS.

That presumes he ever had much say in the first place, I tend to believe he had very very little.

Skullgirls wasn’t trying to be on console in the early development process. That changed when mike z got in to the picture.

Look up the interview. He tells (at least his version of) the story in great depth. I don’t particularly like or trust the guy, but in this case I’d take his word over yours.

[LIST]
[]He was actually, you know there both for when he hooked up with the Skullgirls guys and the pitch meeting
[]He has absolutely nothing to gain by crediting SF4, and no reason to lie about it.
[*]You on the other hand have a very specific narrative you like to promote about the history of fighting games, and that narrative has a vested interest in SF4 not being important.
[/LIST]

[El_Chupa_Negro]

Okay, but you were replying to a post that said “Damn SFxT got everybody leaving…” so it kinda doesn’t make sense if you just meant leaving Capcom in general.

I meant folks leaving that aren’t just capcom employees this game has hurt the community bad

[xes]

Don’t forget that Americans hate not only learning but actually working for anything.

There are a couple reasons why we have this going on.

1. The economy is shit and new IPs are always a risk regardless of medium, but this is far too true for videogames.
2. Companies bend themselves too much for the customers who don’t really know what they want AND don’t know what’s out there.
3. You’ve got people in the board of directors that are in it for the money. Their passion is not in making games but just making money. Not only that, but it seems that most companies, minus Nintendo who’s a weird but lovable company, don’t have developers in that group.

In my opinion, companies are taking the path of least resistance and are too scared to try something new like they used to.

Nintendo is pretty nutso too, I don’t even get their logic sometimes. (Imagine all the money an iphone/android/whatever Mario or Zelda would make, but they apparently won’t give up complete control to make one).

At risk of sounding culturist, Japanese game developers just seem insane, and the bigger the crazier.

[Warpticon]

I meant folks leaving that aren’t just capcom employees this game has hurt the community bad

…I wasn’t talking about you?

[ThatJollyOlBastid]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/26/276885-seth_large.jpg

From someone who’s still relatively new to the scene, talking to Seth when i saw him was quite an eye opener. What really made it stoodout is how happy he seemed at the event and the joy from seeing someone so relatively young enjoy it all, which wouldn’t have really had happen if never joined Capcops. So in all, it’s a shame to see him go. I’m sure everyone hopes for the best.

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