Big Damage? Are you seriously talking about the same Ultra as me?
U1 better than U2 even with the nerfs IMO. U2 is just a let down.
Am I the only one who thinks st.mk got a buff? It’s an actual far anti air/poke now.
Is it different? I never used it before because it was pretty worthless.
I mean, besides cl.MK, I never cared for it. cl.MK was stylish and seemed to have some nice, unjustified range.
Seth has a cl.fk? I never used forward unless it was crouching forward. His s.fk is a good poke. Idk if it was in vanilla, because like Kanta Kun said, it was worthless.
Wonder Chef means far s.mk, not close.
Yeah it feels pretty decent in Super.
the frame data on eventhubs for seth’s far s.mk seems to the same in both versions.
so you guys feel like the hitbox got buffed?
Feels better in this one but it’s probably the same, just never used it in Vanilla.
I don’t trust that ‘new’ frame data, I think they just looked at known changes - ultra2, dive kick and jump hp, and didn’t bother testing anything else - at the very least none of the damage/stun values on the ‘new’ frame data have been changed from the vanilla data.
Is Wonder_chef still around to add stuff to the first post??
Vs. Dudley - a BLOCKED Machine Gun Blow is Punishable by SPD any button.
a BLOCKED - EX Machine Gun Blow is punishable by :lp:SPD or EX SPD
he comes here now and then. Good info on that.
Good to know. Haven’t much in Seth’s arsenal that can punish those from Dudley.
But it’s so damn good if you’re going to sit and rush down all day, you don’t need U1 unless you’re playing certain matchups IMO, Sagat and Akuma come to mind mainly. Along with Gouken.
Totally agree. If you’re gonna be really aggressive and all up in your opponent’s grill, Ultra 2 is the way to go. Like you say Ultra 1 should be used only in certain matchups to shut down your opponent’s options, I think Ultra 1 should be used on Blanka as well as the characters you mentioned.
On Abel - J.mp Punishes his CrackShoot kick move. Even lets you jump back up into Stomps if timed right and you get both hits in on him. lol
Heck it even beats out the EX crack shoot (wheel kick) lolol
Ok, i just spent quite some time in training, looking for ultras that will beat Seth’s ultra 2…the list is thankfully quite short. Obviously some chars have ways to get around your ultra (teleport, cammy’s EX spin knuckle) but others might just throw out their own ultra and hope for the best.
The good news: none of the ultra’s actually BEAT Seth’s ultra!
The bad news: some ultras land your opponent behind Seth where it does no damage and gives them a free combo while you’re still in recovery =(
More good news: of the 35 chars in the game only 5 have an ultra that does that and they are; Bison U2, Ken U2, El Fuerte U1, T.Hawk U2 and Adon U1
Hopefully people will add to this knowledge of what avoids/beats Seth’s U2 so that we get to know for instance who we can chip to death with no chance of escape, and who we shouldn’t try that on lest they ultra/teleport/other shit =)
Also hope anyone besides me finds this info usefull, since it took quite a while to test this…on that subject: WHY CAPCOM WHY?? why can’t i just use BOTH ultras in training mode, why do i have to go back to char select screen every time?
Good shit Nova, that’s a lot of work you did, really appreciate it.
Also, there were 9 people viewing the Seth Sub-Forum earlier, should I be scared?
Good stuff Nova!!! hard work that there!
I find using Sonic boom > wall jump > FK right into ultra2 as you land usually ends up as a guaranteed Chip damage win lolol, so far nobody has been able to out do it.
God yes, Blanka for sure in the U1 section…along with T.Hawk, it shuts down so much shit it’s crazy.
I’ve been using U2 to chip like a motherfucker, but never used that particular setup to chip with, even though it’s simple as hell, good shit.
Nova, correction on your list, I was playing earlier today with Perfect Legend and he was using Guile, I go to U2 on his wakeup to chip him and he reversal U2’d me right in the back as my tornado was already in mid-spin.
Yeah I get the Ultra to come out even while that Blue sparkle dust is on screen from the blocking of the HK lolol