Seth Combo Thread **Check first post for BnBs**

[Kikuichimonji]

If you are a new Seth player, look at the first post of this thread and ignore the second part.

Combo notes (aka look here before posting, feel free to skip):

Combo notes

Spoiler

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[]cr.hp xx EX Tanden does not work in the corner. However, cr.hp link EX tanden, j.mp -> EX Tanden, EX Shoryuken -> EX Tanden, and fp shoryu FADC EX Tanden work in the corner.
[]A lot of the time you can almost reach the corner with the s.hk/cr.mp link, but not quite. If you’re unsure if you can make it to the corner, do cr.hp -> hk Hyakuretsu. It does less damage than the link, but more than the first BnB. This is also a lot easier, if the link scares you.
[]You do the lp Tanden Engine after a crumple forward dash for the meter and to make the followup easier. cl.mp, cl.hp is only possible after tanden as well. Also, the tanden looks cool. It does not scale the combo at all.
[]Hyakuretsu only scales 1 hit even though it hits 17 times.
[]In general, Seth’s Ultra 2 (Tanden Typhoon) gets fewer hits the more juggle hits were in the combo. This can actually make it punishable on hit in rare scenarios if the last hits whiffs.
[]When possible, ending combos with hp SRK is better than hk legs midscreen because it leaves you in a mixup situation afterwards with divekick/crossup j.hk. The mixup after legs-> teleport is comparatively weak. You’re actually -1 on the teleport against most characters.
[*]All of these combos are the ‘best’ possible combos as far as I know. If you are going to suggest an alternate combo, you must defend its value. This is supposed to be a resource, not a bullshit list of every combo possible in the game. If you have a cool combo that’s not practical, I’ll put it in the ‘style points’ combos.
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Seth character-specific combo spreadsheet

Spreadsheet notes

[details=Spoiler]In the corner, I am 99% sure that the list of characters that sonic boom fadc cl.mp cl.hp is the same as the characters that lp tanden -> cl.mp cl.hp works on.

I use s.mp -> cr.lp -> cr.mp xx mk legs off a divekick reset because it does more damage than jabs and shorts. Alternatively, you can do cr.lp -> s.hp xx hp srk. [/details]

Bread and Butter punish combos:

Midscreen, character specific:

cr.hp xx lp shoryuken ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 282 Damage, 455 Stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
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For characters that the above combo fails, cr.hp xx lp shoryuken x2 -> stomps will work. That combo works on everyone as well so if you only want to learn one combo learn this one. lp srk x2 -> stomps is also more versatile - it will work after a crossup on most characters. Sometimes you need to do cr.hp xx mp srk x2 if the opponent is really far away.

Corner only:

s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 362 Damage, 630 Stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
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This link is only worth it on characters that cl.mp -> cl.hp does not work on. It also does not work on crouching characters.

Character-specific:

Tanden Engine, cl.mp, cl.hp xx
[LIST]
[]hk legs
[]hp SRK x3
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Important situational combos:

Spoiler

Blockstring combo: cr.lk xx cr.lp -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu (in corner, ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 182 Damage, 355 Stun/244 Damage, 460 Stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
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[spoiler=Explanation]Your go-to combo off a throw tech or random jab or whatever. You can use s.lk over cr.lp for better damage on most characters but it doesn’t work on Vega and Blanka at least. Also s.lk has very slightly more pushback. [/details]

Alternative blockstring combo: cr.lk or cr.lp, cl.hp xx SRK

Explanation

[details=Spoiler]Unless it’s off a jump-in or crossup you can’t hit-confirm the cl.hp. Therefore you would need to cancel into lp sonic boom (unsafe on a few characters on block), lp tanden engine (can be reversal’d but very plus on block), or backwards teleport (no one actually does this).

The major advantages of this combo over the first are that you get a hit-confirmed SRK knockdown and more damage, and that cr.lp -> cl.hp is an easier link than cr.lp -> cr.mp. The major disadvantages are that you need strong reactions to hit-confirm it and cl.hp isn’t great on block any way you slice it. However, off a crossup this is a great option because you can hit-confirm the cl.hp so you get more damage and better knockdown while maintaining mixup potential

cr.lk -> cl.hp is a 1 frame link. Plink that shit.[/details]

anti-air lp Shoryuken ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 195 damage, 235 stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
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Explanation

[details=Spoiler]This is not your go-to anti-air combo. lp srk is best used against crossups or other situations where the opponent is high in the air but not far horizontally. Then the priority of lp SRK will at least guarantee a trade.

Sometimes if you hit with the tip of a heavier 1x SRK you can combo into stomps or U2 off it. However, unless you’re option selecting a wakeup or catching a really far jump this usually never happens.[/details]

air to air j.mp (two hits) ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 215 Damage, 285 Stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
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Explanation

Spoiler

Seth’s j.mp is Ryu’s stolen j.mp. It causes a juggle state. It is very useful for Seth for catching people jumping away from mixups. It can also be used as an anti-air if done while rising against crossups, but you can’t combo off it usually there. However, it gives you a knockdown and the chance to gain momentum.

(When you want to reversal shoryu FADC) hp Shoryuken xx EX Focus Cancel xx Forward Dash ->
[LIST]
[]j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 235 Damage, 285 Stun, reset
[]Tanden Typhoon:
[*]EX Tanden
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Explanation

[details=Spoiler]Seth’s hp SRK has 5 frames startup and 8 frames invincibility. This is tied for the most invincibility on a non-EX SRK type move in the game, along with Oni’s hp SRK. However, Seth can FADC his SRK on block. If he dashes forwards he is left at -1 in the opponent’s face. This makes his SRK a very powerful “stop pressing buttons” tool.

Stomps after SRK FADC is wonky in AE. You need to use character specific spacings and timings. For most characters neutral jump stomp x2 -> divekick still works. I will compile a list to be released within a few weeks at the latest.

SRK FADC U2 is harder than Ryu’s FADC U1. The reason is that Seth’s dash is so long that it actually crosses up the opponent’s juggling body if you started at point blank range. Therefore if you input the ultra during the dash you’ll get random bullshit. [/details]

EX SRK x3 -> Tanden Typhoon/EX Tanden
Explanation

[details=Spoiler]EX SRK does more hits and sends your opponent even higher in the air. This allows you to combo into U2 or EX Tanden. However, U2 only gets some hits and if you delay it too long it will be punishable on hit. EX tanden requires 6/7 hit EX SRK, delay the second input to get more hits. Being farther away from the opponent also helps, as does choosing a large opponent.

Far lp Sonic Boom -> s.hp:

Far lp Sonic Boom -> Tanden Stream:

For stun/ultra punishes, nj.hk is the most damaging jump-in you have. If you aren’t going to use meter though you should do FA3 instead of a jump-in because FA3 does more damage. Also, you can’t do the lp tanden -> s.mp, s.hp after a jump-in.

No meter: Focus Attack Level 3 xx Forward Dash -> lp Tanden Engine ->BnB:355 Damage, 535 Stun, reset/414 Damage, 616 Stun, reset

Corner only, 2 bars: neutral j.hk -> s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 447 damage, reset

Midscreen, 2 bars: neutral j.hk -> cr.hp xx EX Tanden -> cr.hp xx lp shoryuken -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 394 Damage, reset

Full Meter: neutral j.hk -> s.hp xx hp Sonic Boom xx hp Super: 490 Damage
or
(corner only) neutral j.hk -> s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 483 damage, reset (less damage and crazy execution required, but you get a reset. In a match, I would suggest forgoing the s.hk link and just using s.hp)

[Kikuichimonji]

Focus crumple backdash combos:

I used a level 3 for numbers, but it doesn’t matter for scaling purposes
(character-specific) j.d.mk -> j.mp -> jump forwards -> j.d.mk x2 -> j.d.hk: 280 Damage, 370 Stun, reset
Hyakuretsu (in corner, -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk):258 Damage, 400 Stun/353 Damage, 530 Stun, reset
Ultra:396 Damage, 200 Stun
hp Super: 430 Damage, 200 Stun
j.d.mk -> j.mp -> EX Tandem -> BnB:347 Damage, 500 Stun, reset / 387 Damage, 585 Stun, reset
j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk:262 Damage, 355 Stun, reset
lp Tandem Engine (Timing intensive!) -> s.hp xx hk Hyakuretsu (In corner -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk): 309 damage, 535 Stun/386 Damage 640 Stun, reset

I would suggest j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk on characters you’re not sure the j.mp combo works on. Tandem Engine is too finicky to use here, and the s.hp followup is hard too. Use Hyakuretsu in the corner to combo into stomps. If you want to use meter, j.mp -> EX Tandem Engine is marginally worth it, and ultra and super both do pretty good damage.

**
EX Bar combos (advanced)**

2 bars:

Corner punisher:
s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 414 Damage, reset

Midscreen punisher:
cr.hp xx EX Tandem -> cr.hp xx lp shoryuken -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 394 Damage, reset

j.mp -> EX Tandem Engine -> BnB:329 Damage, 510 Stun, reset/394 Damage, 660 Stun, reset

neutral j.hp -> cr.mk xx hp Sonic Boom xx EX Focus Cancel -> forward dash -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakruetsu: (this is a hit-confirm combo or a combo to push them to the corner so you can get stomps)

3 bars:

s.hp xx EX Shoryuken (at least 6 hits) -> EX Tandem Engine -> BnB: 414 Damge, 573 Stun/454 Damage 658 Stun (454/492 Damage with neutral j.hk)

4 bars:

s.hp xx sonic boom xx lp super: 438 Damage, 250 Stun

s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hp xx sonic boom xx EX Focus -> forward dash -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 440 damage, reset

cr.hp xx lp shoryuken -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk (whiff) -> lp Super: 441dmg, 405 stun

(Note: You have to space out the j.d.mk’s in order to get the j.d.hk to whiff. Tricky in the corner)

Midscreen only:
cr.hp xx EX Tandem -> cr.hp xx EX Tandem -> BnB: 385 Damage, 735 Stun, reset/404 Damage, 760 Stun, reset

cr.hp -> lp Super: 450 Damage, 200 Stun (for some reason you get an extra hit off of the cr.hp -> super?)

Style Points Combos:

-cr.hp xx lp Sonic Boom xx EX Focus Cancel xx Forward Dash -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk: 262dmg, 405 stun
-cr.hp -> ultra (all hits, full ultra): 354 Damage, 200 Stun
-cr.hp -> ultra (one hit, full ultra): 289 Damage, 200 Stun
(Note: You get the one-hit version if you misstime the ultra. You need to land the ultra as late as possible in their flight in order to get the full ultra. But don’t bother, because this is still horrible damage.)
-cr.hp xx EX Tandem cr.hp j.mp srk-hp FADC j.d.mkx3 d.hk 367 dmg, 615 stun
-cr.lk cr.lp s.lp s.lp s.mp 121 dmg, 235 stun
-FA.lvl3 cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p fa dc cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk 372 dmg, 600 stun
-s.hp xx Sonic Boom xx EX Focus -> FA2 -> s.hk -> cr.mp xx mk Hyakuretsu -> j.d.mk x3 -> j.d.hk = 386 damage

Thanks to Tsurael and Jinrai for providing some numbers

[Sabin]

Good shit, I learned some stuff from this.

[Chrisis]

Just outside corner can’t you use EX tandem engine combos then end with roundhouse lightning legs since that shiz slides them back so far in your initial movement that you can do the corner stomps follow up?

[Kikuichimonji]

Just outside corner can’t you use EX tandem engine combos then end with roundhouse lightning legs since that shiz slides them back so far in your initial movement that you can do the corner stomps follow up?

Yes. But you can’t do cr.mp xx HK Hyakuretsu. Note that some of the combos listed are only possible in this position - that’s why I write it as BnB instead of the cr.fp xx lp shoryu combo - because you might be able to get the corner combo off instead.

[Doopliss]

You should add your LP sonic boom, EX FADC, PPP teleport cross-up-thingy, methinks.

I also thinkyou should focus on the opening attacks as well as the number of ex bars the combo require, like the old thread. You only really need the best combo for a specific first attack and how much super/Ultra you plan to spend during that opening.

[kensk]

im pretty sure ive found an 800+ stun combo for almost every character if you’re near the corner and have 50% meter. meaning no matter what you land after the reset, guaranteed dizzy. no jump in required… i think. close HK is an important tool here, it allows you to nail 200 + 50 stun (scaled obviously), putting you just over the edge in a lot of cases (810 stun). if i can make this consistent, having 2 bars in the corner means any combo puts you into a 33/33/33 situation that gets you a dizzy. still testing though.

back to the science lab!

[Doopliss]

Well, I just know one with Zangief XD (HP headbutt, c.HK XD)

Trash combo:
HP shoryuken x(2 or 3) -> LP super (Think it worked with both stages of it) 100-125 stun, variable damage (100/140+ at least 200, I’d say)

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

misspelled cawmbow, voted 1

j/k, thanks a lot bro!

[Kikuichimonji]

I’m gonna follow Doopliss’s suggestion and organize the combos by opening move and then bar. Eventually >.>

[Monir]

my stupid combos:

1. j.hk cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p fa dc cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk
2. j.hk cr.hp j.mp EX.srk EX.qcb.p cr.hp j.mp EX.srk
3. s.hp xx qcf.p fadc s.hp xx hp-srk fadc j.d.mkx3 d.hk

[Kikuichimonji]

Interesting note: Starting off either BnB with Sonic Boom -> j.hk does exactly the same damage as FA3 -> BNB. However, the Sonic Boom -> j.hk gives a bit more meter (including the lp Tandem afterwards) and is safer to attempt from full screen versus a stun.

If you’re ever going to punish with a super, just do neutral j.hk -> close s.fp xx fp Sonic Boom xx Super. 490 Damage.

[Monir]

Here’s my very very weird 2-hit combo.

The opponent jumps over your sonic boom, right after you do the Ultra… 2 hit combo… WTF should be 20 hit as usual

Sonic Boom -> ULTRA crazy shit

[Chrisis]

If you push them into the boom the half damage of it is fricking lame. >.<

[Kikuichimonji]

my stupid combos:

1. j.hk cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p fa dc cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk
2. j.hk cr.hp j.mp EX.srk EX.qcb.p cr.hp j.mp EX.srk
3. s.hp xx qcf.p fadc s.hp xx hp-srk fadc j.d.mkx3 d.hk

Get the damage (and stun) on these and I’ll put them up.

[Monir]

sure, u’ll get all the info tomorrow then

[Monir]

1. FA.lvl3 cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p fa dc cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcf.p cr.lk cr.lp s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk 372 dmg, 600 stun, AKA worst combo
2. j.hk cr.hp j.mp EX.srk EX.qcb.p cr.hp j.mp EX.srk 437 dmg, 667 stun
3. s.hp xx qcf.p fadc s.hp xx hp-srk fadc j.d.mkx3 d.hk 369 dmg, 589 stun
4. FA.lvl3 s.hp xx qcf.p FADC s.hp xx qcf.p FADC s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk 452 dmg, 725 stun
5. j.hk s.hp xx qcf.p FADC s.hp xx qcf.p FADC s.hp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk 457 dmg , 850 stun
6. j.hk cr.hp xx lp-srk FADC EX Tandem s.hk cr.mp xx qcb.k j.d.mkx3 d.hk 453 dmg, 861 stun
7. ULTRA 360 dmg, 0 stun
8. qcf.p -> ULTRA 324 dmg, 50 stun
9. qcf.p -> SUPER-hp 360 dmg, 50 stun
10. j.hp s.hp 140 dmg, 400 stun, very great actually
11. j.hp -> ULTRA 324 dmg, 200 stun
12. cr.lk cr.lp s.lp s.lp s.mp 121 dmg, 235 stun
13. qcf.lp wall jump.mp j.d.mkx3 172 damage, 205 stun
14. j.mp 2hits j.mp 1 hit j.d.mkx3 192 dmg, 255 stun
15. j.mp 2hits j.mp 1 hit -> SUPER 310 dmg, 150 stun
16. cr.hp xx EX Tandem cr.hp j.mp srk-hp FADC j.d.mkx3 d.hk 367 dmg, 615 stun

That’s all I got

[Kikuichimonji]

For the record, I haven’t forgotten about this. I’m currently looking at Sonic Boom FADC combos. Will update soon or you can hang me.

[America]

An absolutely useless combo as there are better options to choose.

cr.hp-> j.mp-> hp shoryuken x3

254 dmg and 354 stun

I guess it looks somewhat flashy.

[Monir]

This thread must be updated soon…

NEW COMBO: qcf.lp (full screen) wall-jump.mp j.d.mkx3