Sentinel Kneejerk Patch for Skullgirls?

[pali]

2.0 patch is awesome. Cerebella is finally playable.

… you said double was the worst character. And now cerebella is playable Lol? she’s already godlike.

[Aabra]

Getting real fucking tired of hearing people act like HK bomber not having invincibility is gonna ruin Double/Cock.

First off, if you can’t win because you don’t have an invincible assist flying full screen causing hard knockdown, then you’re just bad, nothing else to say, you’re bad.

Second, people are acting like HK hornet bomber is ass because it doesn’t have invincibility anymore, go into training, turn on hitbox, and look at that shit, yeah, she’s fine.

Third, I believe LK bomber is still invincible, if you really need a double invincible assist, there you go.

Fourth, if it was so goddamn easy to get around (It was a pain, but never game breaking), then why is this change making so many people angry? It’s not like you’ll use that tactic at later levels because it was so easy to get around, right?

And if you’re saying that 1:Not having invincibility on HK bomber makes Double bad, or 2:Not having invincibilty on HK bomber is gonna ruin the team.

I honestly don’t want to converse with you until you calm down.

It’s not just the invincibility on the HK Bomber assist. Honestly if LK and MK Bomber are invulnerable then hey - at least there’s something. Maybe the team will still be viable? There are however a slew of other nerfs coming Double’s way… and putting Double aside for a moment. The Infinite Protection System is being completely changed. There are a lot of game-changers in the list… do we really want to completely change the game before we even know what we’re doing? 1 month is not enough time to know that this is what needs to be changed. Wait 6 months - then make the changes. Be smart about it. That’s all we’re asking.

[superbyte412]

No. If people can’t learn those ToD that’s too bad? just play someone around your skill level and you’ll have just as much fun as people who do ToD do.

I only set my thing to “expert” so whoever is ragequiting is not really a expert, tons of people have beginner rooms and casual play

Well, what about the fact that those ToD combos are only accessible to a portion of the cast? Don’t you think it will lead to a balance issue if Painwheel/Double/Parasoul/M.Fortune players are doing ToD combos, while everyone else is maxing out around 50-60% damage?

[DevilJin_01]

The most prevalent change is to the IPS, followed by the change in damage assists take. Those things affect every character, and aren’t beneficial/damaging to any one character more than another. Mike Z said he allowed it in the first place, as it would have originally been like this, because people were abusing the niceness of the system. No Tournaments would have changed that. The damage assists take was increased because A) The risk of calling out an assist is not very high if you are smart, and 2: the gap between teams and solos needed to be shortened. The adjustment only means that you can’t be stupid when calling assists. You aren’t going to complain that you need to think, are you?

Everything else is significantly minor in comparison, but the biggest ones are Parasoul’s tears, Val’s hitstun poison, and Fortune’s head. Parasoul’s tears being unscaled was unintentional, and was going to be the first thing patched anyway. Val’s hitstun deterioration (suggested by me, tyvm) is a nice gesture (that will hopefully get people to use the other poisons), but it won’t really make that much of a difference with the IPS anyway. Same with Fortunes head: it won’t matter much with IPS update anyway. And besides, the fact that the head leaps so far back is a tactical change. The way Fortune appears, she is supposed to keep her positioning throughout the match. Her supers were such that she could maintain your positioning relative to the head. The way it was before, her positioning didn’t really matter as long as she was on one side and the head on the other. I’m sure Mike wanted Fortune players to be a little more creative than they’ve been.

So, aside from things that are affecting everyone, the changes are pretty minor and are only being added (at this moment) because they caught a break and can update it for free because of the US/EU non-compatibility (unless I heard wrong). SO! Anyone who is upset at the changes is either a scrub, likes broken things, or is trolling… or is on Capcoms D*ck.

This post reminds me of how much people don’t understand that this is more of an indie game in progress than a full release game that’s getting patches all over the place.

I like broken things…but the characters and their tools will still be very powerful even with these minor changes.

[Dino_Bourne]

I definitely think there needs to be a patch this early. People are finding touch of death BnB’s! Do you not think that’s a problem?

I’ve seen ToD but they need to meet a lot of different requirements that to be honest most of the times won’t happen on a real match

2.0 patch is awesome. Cerebella is finally playable.

Cerebella is really good already x.x

Again, I’m not so agianst the patch, it is actually helping my team a lot on certain matches, my point was that it is really early (imo) to patch the game but ok, I was just giving my points of view on this

[DaRabidDuckie]

i believe mike said that he would only patch things that are not the way they were supposed to be.

Watching the stream where he discusses the patch changes confirms this attitude. Nearly everything he changed he mentioned was something he wanted to change originally but left in because he wanted to see what happened.

think what you will, but it has happened before and i cannot fathom why mike puts up with all the collective crap that spews from this forum. there may be diamonds in the rough, but sometimes enduring the rough just isn’t worth it.

Why do you think I frequently purge the suggestions thread? I wouldn’t want to sift through all that shit, either.

[OmniSScythe]

Val’s hitstun deterioration (suggested by me, tyvm) is a nice gesture (that will hopefully get people to use the other poisons), but it won’t really make that much of a difference with the IPS anyway…

I don’t even know you,

[pali]

Well, what about the fact that those ToD combos are only accessible to a portion of the cast? Don’t you think it will lead to a balance issue if Painwheel/Double/Parasoul/M.Fortune players are doing ToD combos, while everyone else is maxing out around 50-60% damage?

sometimes you play the card you were dealt. I played Juri in ssf4 shes garbage but i play her cause i like her not cause i wanna dominate all the time, In skullgirls i picked Parasoul/Double as soon as i got the game is it my fault the characters are good? No. Is it a problem with making a character good? No.

[Sanger_Zonvolt]

Stealth Filia buffs.

I’m picking her up, you should to!

[Austin_QED]

It’s not just the invincibility on the HK Bomber assist. Honestly if LK and MK Bomber are invulnerable then hey - at least there’s something. Maybe the team will still be viable? There are however a slew of other nerfs coming Double’s way… and putting Double aside for a moment. The Infinite Protection System is being completely changed. There are a lot of game-changers in the list… do we really want to completely change the game before we even know what we’re doing? 1 month is not enough time to know that this is what needs to be changed. Wait 6 months - then make the changes. Be smart about it. That’s all we’re asking.

Yes, yes we do.

MIke Z has been playing fighting games longer than I have been ALIVE.

He knows how to gauge a game, and he may not be psychic, I do trust his judgement in the GAME HE MADE.

He wants this game to be focused on resets, he wants you to take risks, he does not want this to be another Blazblue.

He’s just balancing the game around his vision, which was what he was already going to do.

And I still don’t see how Double is getting the “nerf bat”, so she can’t build meter during Cattelies? Makes sense, jumping fierce getting a litter shorter, okay, it’s not like you cannot do your same combos, just press the goddamn button faster, HK invul gone, well, we all know why that happened, it’s not right, but you’re gonna have to hold dat.

[pali]

Yes, yes we do.

MIke Z has been playing fighting games longer than I have been ALIVE.

He knows how to gauge a game, and he may not be psychic, I do trust his judgement in the GAME HE MADE.

He wants this game to be focused on resets, he wants you to take risks, he does not want this to be another Blazblue.

He’s just balancing the game around his vision, which was what he was already going to do.

And I still don’t see how Double is getting the “nerf bat”, so she can’t build meter during Cattelies? Makes sense, jumping fierce getting a litter shorter, okay, it’s not like you cannot do your same combos, just press the goddamn button faster, HK invul gone, well, we all know why that happened, it’s not right, but you’re gonna have to hold dat.

If this game is all about his vision, all about what he wants and what he wants it to be. Then why the hell would you release that to the public just keep it to yourself? especially if you will patch things whenever to suit w/e thought you have.

[Sanger_Zonvolt]

If this game is all about his vision, all about what he wants and what he wants it to be. Then why the hell would you release that to the public just keep it to yourself? especially if you will patch things whenever to suit w/e thought you have.

Somebody has to play with you.^^

[pali]

Somebody has to play with you.^^

Lol i guess when they beat you in your own game due to a long combo here comes, “We’re going to change the IPS to shorten combos because i’m losing to this”

[Austin_QED]

If this game is all about his vision, all about what he wants and what he wants it to be. Then why the hell would you release that to the public just keep it to yourself? especially if you will patch things whenever to suit w/e thought you have.

Goddamnit Pali.

Didn’t we have this “I don’t like ignore listing, so I won’t” conversation two days ago?

This is one of those moments.

I’m just gonna turn a blind eye until you start making sense again.

[chachadesmond]

Buffing cerebella when shes already good, Wesker Shades.

what an incredible post everyone. just in case you missed it

[jinsaotomex3]

If this game is all about his vision, all about what he wants and what he wants it to be. Then why the hell would you release that to the public just keep it to yourself? especially if you will patch things whenever to suit w/e thought you have.

This is normally how content creation works. People working on these things usually say “I have this really awesome idea that will work in x way, and I think many people will enjoy it!”, then the idea gets made.
Actually just watch this. Saves me the trouble .
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[superbyte412]

Lol i guess when they beat you in your own game due to a long combo here comes, “We’re going to change the IPS to shorten combos because i’m losing to this”

Or maybe it’s because long combos are not fun for the people that play the half of the cast that does not have access to super long combos. I play Valentine and Filia, and I can tell that outside of the green vial combos, Valentine and Filia are NEVER going to have ToD combos. As more and more ToD combos are discovered and become more viable, Valentine and Filia would have become worthless to play over time.

What you keep arguing for is to make it so half of the cast becomes inviable to play in the long run, just so you can do 30-40 second long combos.

[Mr.X]

If this game is all about his vision, all about what he wants and what he wants it to be. Then why the hell would you release that to the public just keep it to yourself? especially if you will patch things whenever to suit w/e thought you have.

There are other people who want to play it.

There’s other fighting games if you don’t want to play this one anymore.

[xes]

People that complain about kneejerk patches have absolutely no idea how game development and support actually works.

That said, the combo fix is gonna make me have to go back and try the game again ><

[pali]

Goddamnit Pali.

Didn’t we have this “I don’t like ignore listing, so I won’t” conversation two days ago?

This is one of those moments.

I’m just gonna turn a blind eye until you start making sense again.

It’s quite different because he actually plays the game himself, most creators are not biased on gameplay and don’t just do w/e THEY like.