While I agree that humans aren’t perfection, and therefore noone will win all of the time, I still maintain that a 1st to 10 is the easiest way to establish ranking between individuals. Win taking any statistical data its always considered weak unless the sample size is large. Let me just record one single match of the chunksta vs. sanford casuals and that will give me a very clear indication of who is better…in doing so I recorded the match where sanford lost to chunksta so I guess based off of this sample size that chunksta can beat sanford 10-0.
Or I can actually pretend to have some education and realize that I need a larger sample size iono maybe uhhhh 1-10 and then I can get a much better idea of how they match up. If the score is 10-9 I’d say they are about even. Nelson beat me 7-1 I think it was pretty clear… there should be no doubt. I only beat wigfall 7-5, so while I still feel I’m better its not by much which is why I offered him the Fanatiq Jr. title. I’d prolly go 10-0 with infinite so that makes me pretty sure I’m just better than him (which doesn’t say much). I rape smooth viper 10-3 in a long set, and then he beats me 2-1 in a short set. I’m 75% sure I would have gone on to rape him the next 2 games if it was a 3-5. I think that the people who are saying tourney doesn’t matter as much are the people that DO place. Sanford, myself, remix, whereas people who I’ve never heard of and would prolly rape senseless (nostradamus) argue otherwise.
In that case… (and i’m not trying to say you don’t make some good points) WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE TOURNAMENTS ANYMORE? Why don’t we have 90 people enter games and do 1st to 10s the entire tournament and see who’s better. I can’t stand it when people say “oh i lost to you in tournament but i’m better than you in a 1st to 10, you wouldn’t beat me” Shut the fuck up and accept your loss like a man. Who the heck cares if you’re better than someone the point is a tournament is a SURVIVAL GAME. If you can’t survive then that means you just didn’t in that particular tournament. Just step it up at the next one or make your way out of the losers bracket. If the other person beats you and advances to the next round then he did a better job than you. Don’t take away someone’s credit for winning… It’s like those people who say that have the highest ego. More huge than the empire state building.
You know what else is annoying… When people say “Oh he would’ve won that 1st to 10 if he picked such and such team instead of whatever he originally picked” That’s another excuse that ignores the person’s win against the other player. I’ve been around the fighting scene for a long time, so I know what I’m talking about. But then again, it all depends on the players attitude to be honest.
Im godlike and Chris S knows it Moments before he beat me will be remembered in my mind for awhile lol"YES BABY YESSSSSSS".
He didnt get like that wit nobody else he played the WHOLE weekend but Props to him for taking the tourney.
Honestly anyone can beat ANYONE 2 out of 3 or a long set for that matter when MAGNETO is in the picture now beating lets say ME a long set without magneto…I cant see it happening as it has not happened to me other than losing to Justin/X… EVER!
Ha… thanks. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but I know for a fact I’m correct on what I say. I actually was talking about all games, not just marvel. But imo with or without magneto shouldn’t really matter because in that case… Everyone can beat everyone with magneto… Then it would come down to doing 1st to 10s without him and using the other top tier characters, but when one of those characters starts dominating then THEY would have to not be included. Otherwise the victory the person gets means absolutely nothing. See where I’m getting at? Characters are apart of the game and how u use them and win with them are up to you. An average mvc2 player could use magneto against a excellent player and lose 10-0, so having magnus isn’t the issue. It’s THE PLAYER. And that’s a known FACT. If someone started owning with Jill or silver samurai, then the person who lost would say “Oh if you didn’t have jill or samurai then I would’ve owned you free. Even though I had santhrax or msp” You feel what I’m saying now?
Josh 360 got happy when he beat me in the tournament more than he did when he played anyone else, he said “Yes! Fuck Yes!” And then shook my hand and said “you know I have nothing but respect for you” I like good shit like that, that’s fucking respect. And I didn’t go “Oh if you would’ve played me 1st to 10 I would’ve owned you free, or if you didn’t have ironman blah blah yap yap” I beat him before and now he beat me. I give credit where credit is due no matter what character is used or how they won. The way I see it… If magnus is too cheap then why hasn’t the marvel community banned him? Especially if he’s considered broken. If storm, sent and cable is too cheap why haven’t they banned her since they also dominate 98% of the roster? Why not the entire top tier roster since when people win with them since it doesn’t mean shit because the characters are “apparently” too easy to win with or whatever. Why not go to low tier, and when that gets too cheap why not ban the entire game all together? If you play the game, then you know what the fuck you are in for, so deal with it If it’s too cheap then find a way to beat it… People act like storm sentinel cable and shit ain’t cheap as magnus… U must be kidding me if you think picking them are fair, 2 fast flys will kill almost any normal character. Hyper viper can kill 2 people at once or all 3 if you do a triple team, storm dhc into sentinal force can wipe out one character on the fly, I could go on and on about this shit, but I think my point is beyond proven now. Next thing you know they’ll say ken should be banned cause VDO knows how to do the infinite…
MAGNETO closes the Skill gap between players because of his ADVANTAGES and him being EASY to use.
Justin Wong "I refuse to play magneto anymore hes to BULLSHIT’ that alone should tell you something being hes the Overall best player in the world and he had to pick a team(Storm/Sent/Psy) just to beat Yipes because magneto was to much of an issue.
Real talk Everyone runs to magneto now because its a way they can get wins on the GODLIKE players that are to Good to lose to Storm/Sent long sets…So they run to Magneto because hes Super fast and has the most Priority other than slow ass Ironman in the game.
Im sorry, Brandon nothing but love for you but how do you step it up from one 2 out of 3 to the next? I respect the fact that most ppl dont suck anymore. You can lose to anyone… Row beat Sanford 2 out of 3. So everyone was saying Sanford gets owned by Row but at SB3… JESUS CHRIST SANFORD KELLY UGHHHHHHHHHHHH. But yeah i still think you suck Sanford =p…
Also like i said in preppys thread Storm/Sent dont win as much as Magneto teams anymore why? because Sentinel is a hard character to use unlike FAGNETO and he only can get ADVANTAGES if he kills someone(unblockables) ur at a disadvantage when you start a match vs FAGNUS.
Ok… but then why did yipes lose so badly when he had storm sent psy. Don’t u see the pattern here that I stated in my post which is TRUE FACT. Storm sent is bullshit just like magnus is bullshit. She has easy kill setups just like magnus, and sentinel can keep almost anyone out in the game besides cable because cable wants to be out so he can shoot, so nullifying the whole keep out factor.
Just because Justin said so it doesn’t mean it’s right. Yea he’s the best player overall in Mvc2, but he’s not LAW homie. That’s his choice and his choice alone to stop using magnus and guess what… Even though people like yipes who has one of the best magneto’s right now, loses to him so bad that he had to pick row starting sentinel, should tell you something. If you flip the script then it should be like this. “I refuse to use storm because it’s too much bullshit, it closes the skill gap between players cause i can run away, rush down, mixup and do a death dhc into sentinel if I want” “I will stop using sentinel because I don’t have to do anything but spit in your face and hope you push buttons in the air so I can take 50% life with a fast fly using commando or magnus etc” You see where I’m getting at? All of the characters are cheap and all have their disadvantages. But even if you pick the disadvantages aka “counters” they won’t always work.
Anyways, my whole point is (just as I stated in the post before this one) You can’t blame a character for closing skill gap between players when other characters have a chance at dominating just like the other. Cause when you say one character is too cheap, then we have to look at how cheap the other character is too, and when that’s too cheap then the other character will have something cheap… It goes on and on… And just to be fair so it won’t sound like I’m defending magnus because I’m not. Magnus has cheap stuff like speed, good snap back priority, guardbreaks etc. Even ironman has cheap stuff like guard breaks u can’t get out of and tons of infinite setups. This shit always is going to contradict itself because it’s all the same cycle.
Storm/Sent aren’t even played as much as Mag teams, that’s why you don’t see it as much. Further more Mag ain’t even the issue if you think logically, cause you said that Justin needed to switch to a certain team. Obviously the main duo still worked but i was Psylocke that made the difference. Fact is that Mag players work jus as hard to get in tho the rewards are better he still works to get in. You gotta play at he same speed or higher, plan strategy’s and worry about your execution all at once. Mag is on team row but hat team got no burn and isn’t consider top 5 best teams. Even tho Mag is on it. I just think Mag is indeed broken, but he is not ST Akuma broken to he point where you cant do anything.
If thats he case Cable might actually be playable again. ahahahhahah
BTW: Brandon excellent post if i could + rep you i would… I don’t think you would care if i did anyway but whatever =p. Hows life treatin ya buddy?
Ok it’s a fact that you are at the worst possible disadvantage in the start of the round against magnus. You definitely make some valid points, Sanford, I’ll agree with that. It’s the worst feeling in the game hands down. And yes he does have high priority and speed and he’s a pain in the ass to deal with. But you’re not mentioning how storm can beat the living fuck out of him. She has everything he has minus godlike snapback easy rom infinite and easy guardbreak into death. She needs sentinel for that. However!.. She can run away from gravity itself and OMG she’s super easy to use. Non storm players can beat storm players with you if they play safely, but calling out assist at the right time, running away and hailstorming you or spamming HK for launch into a super or combo. Sentinel is not so hard to use either, he’s a KEEP AWAY character for the most part and plays like the other character has coodies or something. He only rushes down when he knows he has a CLEAR advantage, so what does that tell you? He can keep away and rush… so he has tons of ways he can win. But this can be said about any character that has a good amount of strategies to win with, which is why I don’t think none of it is totally unfair if you’re using something just as cheap.
Waddup Nel! Nah, it’s all good homie because it’s a fair discussion. Nothing but love for ya as always yo. But you ask how can you step it up after a 2 out of 3 loss? Simple, and I’ll give a prime example. Chris S lost to matrix 2 out of 3 in the tournament kind of early, and he stepped it up from the losers bracket all the way to the grand finals and won the entire tournament. That’s a prime example of STEPPING it up after a 2 out of 3 loss. Feel me?
Ha… Thanks Nel. Yea I’ve been good actually, living life to the fullest. What about you?
I TOTALLY AGREE! The low tier system we use is the best way to play marvel. Those low tier tournaments we had last weekend were good shit! Nothing but strategic thinking and no easy wins. Sort of like chess matches the entire time. It’s going to be interesting to see if the players can adapt using that system at nec. I wish everyone switched to it… I would definitely start up marvel again on some real shit.
I’d say things fell his way. In marvel the better player should win. I don’t believe it’s chance in the slightest. The fact that he lost to matrix who he is clearly better than says a lot.
Justin said he stopped using magneto cuz he doesn’t come through for him. Had nothing to do with him being too much bs or whatnot… And in all honesty sanford I feel like you’re complaining because you’re not as good at that matchup. I remember for quite a long time I was beastly at the msp matchup, years and years ago. There was a point in time where Soo would pick santhrax against me cuz msp on msp I would win more typically (sadly those days are gone)…but anyways I played against more msp so that was my best matchup. I complained that sent storm teams require half of the skill that MS teams took, I still maintain that capcom is OP and unless you are an exceptionally good msp you’ll never get past him. Why do you think that for so long Sent storm teams have dominated mvc2? It wasn’t until evo 2k7 that someone won a major with only msp.
I think the point that keeps being argued is: 2 out of 3 is not consistent enough to determine rank. Whining about losing a 2/3 match is just bad sportsmanship (I’m guilty of it too w/ smooth viper). But it is more often than not true that a 1st to 10 result can differe froma 2/3 result. I mean just to shoot some examples…
Smooth Viper vs. Me: Very clear victory in the ft 10 and then a loss on the first to
JWong vs. Sanford: Sanford claims he’ll lose a ft10, but he won the 2/3.
Wong vs. Chunksta: Wong lost the 2/3 but anyone would prolly agree he would win the ft 10.
All of those things are perfect examples of how a loss in a 2/3 while its still important has no value in truly determining who is better between two players.
Another thing to consider is matchups i.e. I can consistently beat mmds 1 on 1 for various reasons. He uses msp, I know how he plays, and I’ve trained with him. However for a VERY long time he was a much better player than I was. He was the only one to have a shot against finesse at family for a while, he did better against knight (who was a thorn in my side), and various other players that gave me trouble. So yes if we played a 1-10 I might beat him more, but he could beat players that I couldn’t. So for that reason tournaments aren’t good enough to rank anything. I’ll say on record right now, that I had a very easy bracket evo 2k6 (no offense to some of the top players that were on it). So I won the 2-3 matches and that left me ranking higher than the MAJORITY of the mvc2 community. However despite my boastings I’m well aware that I’m not truly 5th best in the world. You get me in that mode though I’ll yell it all day to get under people’s skin. Basically the only true way to rank players would be through a round robin system. Other than that the results will always hold a lot less weight. I think its a justified claim that the average player that beat sanford would have lost if it wasn’t in a 2/3 setting. It is a testament of his progress that he is good enough to beat sanford in a 2/3 but if sanford wants to say that he still feels that he is better than the guy I think its a justified claim. Just kinda bad sportsmanship to not preface that claim w/o congratulating the victory.
If it’s too cheap then find a way to beat it… People act like storm sentinel cable and shit ain’t cheap as magnus… U must be kidding me if you think picking them are fair, 2 fast flys will kill almost any normal character. Hyper viper can kill 2 people at once or all 3 if you do a triple team, storm dhc into sentinal force can wipe out one character on the fly, I could go on and on about this shit, but I think my point is beyond proven now. Next thing you know they’ll say ken should be banned cause VDO knows how to do the infinite…