Season Two seeds/results/general ish thread

I thought that the current season should be wrapped up in December because that’s what Deezo originally proposed. It’s also the same length (chronologically) as the first season–4 months or so. I’m more concerned with when to end season two, rather than when to start season 3. I actually think that 4 months might even be a little long for these things, but that’s better left to the organizer’s tastes.

Julian and I are both on the board for ST, so it’s not as though we’re trying to get the points reset just so our rankings can move up. At least, that’s how I view things. Perhaps I shouldn’t speak for Airthrow. I honestly don’t see how I could possibly move up any higher than I am right now in the ST rankings. There’s only one place to go, and that’s down. I can’t beat Julien if his life depended on it. When I took a set from him earlier this season, it was because he couldn’t block my cheese with CCC2’s input lag.

I do believe that with every point reset, it gives mid level players that might have been hesitant some extra incentive to attend and possibly make some noise. With the way the current ST landscape is here in Seattle, I feel that Mandel and Nate are starting to take shit seriously once more. Alex has also stepped up his game tremendously in the last 7 weeks or so. For those reasons and more, the current rankings are not really representative of the hierarchy in the ST scene.

Ending the season would not only draw this chapter to a close while adhering to the originally planned time line, it would help put this ugliness behind us. The very fact that I even have a point in Marvel is insulting to the caliber of play in the Seattle scene.

Wrapping up season two on either the first or second gathering of December would also allow for a gaming session or two where people just chill and hang out like we used to prior to March of this year. Kinda like what Deezo was talking about. I sort of miss those, since there would be multiple 4-men rotations of Marvel going on. I’d just jump from room to room and ‘Cody’ people. No homo.

I do concur that we should have a season leading into either Evo West or Worlds. Training for Evo was the sole purpose of season one–despite the low number of Seattlites that attended–and it should be the focus once more. Perhaps the time leading up to Evo Worlds should be broken up into two separate seasons.

Regarding the format though, I wanna say that I’m glad ST moved to a 2/3 with 3/5 GF format. While it’s not what’s published on evo2k.com, even Evo ultimately used that format. Tournaments run much faster, even though it’s just 3 matches that get trimmed down. Not sure why. Perhaps it’s because the champion of the winner’s bracket is more willing to wait on deck for a 2/3 match rather than meander about.

If CvS2 and Puzzle Fighter ever resume, whoever runs those might want to consider trimming down the number of games in a match. Those two game jack players for hella long (sometimes for over half an hour to an hour), and make running other tournaments a pain. We’d always finish what matches we could, making the brackets lopsided. Then ST and MvC2 would fight over who would get access to the players that just finished, causing even more delays.

I totally agree. Maybe with bias because I want my own fresh start since I started taking the game seriously too, but just look at how much so many of us have improved… They really aren’t representative any more.

Who are you talking about?

I think starting after January is fine, the seasons should roughly be the same amount of time/number of tourneys.

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We’ve been talking about increasing the price of ST for a long time now, but I really think we should just keep it a dollar. I don’t want to scare off people who fill out our bracket, and potentially also give us a chance at another playstyle to practice against. For example, Mo came in with O. Sagat (there aren’t too many O. Sagat players, especially in the tourneys, Keith and JTM use him mainly in casuals), I am not sure he would’ve played if the cost of the tourney was anymore than a buck. Also Kenny wouldn’t play ST for more than a dollar, and we should all experience true UGLY.

It was possibly my first time playing against O. Sagat in a tourney, I think.

Such epic posts just about dates haha. Does it REALLY matter if we skip a week of tournaments or if one tournament is labeled Season 2 or 3 or Banana? I agree with Mandel on just having one Zach gathering where we just chill and play games like we used to. It would be cool to have the TV in the living room for casual play of CvS2 or whatever else people wanna play. If someone ends up running a tournament then cool, but I’m not sure why it’s critical to do a serious tournament every 2 weeks.

Shit is serious son!!!

However, I am all for “break” periods between seasons.

It matters to the people who want to keep participating in tournaments. There are people (like certain non-Marvel players) who would not attend if a tournament for their game wasn’t being held. So it’s necessary to define when season 2 ends, when season 3 begins, and where the lull will be.

How many seats remain for the Portland trip? I was serious about what I said before. If I get a job between now and the 15th, and if I have that Saturday off, I’d like to ride down with ya.

If that’s their attitude then let them not show up. No offense, but if hanging out with everyone, talking, and playing casually isn’t good enough for the people you’re talking about then personally I don’t care if they show up and I know others secretly agree with me. I still don’t see how taking the whole season thing so seriously and religiously having tournaments is the solution. But I digress, my original post was mainly a commentary on how unnecessarily epic this whole season distinction is and I’m only contributing to that cause now. Maybe I’m just too casual, I don’t know.

We had a gathering at Zach’s a while back that didn’t have ST, and it was very relaxing and chill. It’s not a big deal to just announce when Season 2 is over, have a break (I personally don’t care at all when Season 3 starts, just that it starts eventually) and everyone should be happy.

If you abhor them so, would that not be extra incentive to wrap season two up in a timely fashion? That way, you don’t have to hate in secrecy during the break in between seasons. You could then hate openly, since those people won’t be around to hear you talk shit. For that reason, I’m putting Chris in the same boat as folks looking to end season promptly.

Got corner trapped:china:

I couldn’t agree more. Plus if someone is an overzealous tourney nut then look at it this way; having casual sessions of gaming can help increase or balance perfomance in later tournies.

A lot of the people who excel at or play whatever game they do were off playing poker or VF or just BSing somehwere else until there turn came up. I remember one time when portland came up and there was a cvs2 tourney, the only matches that were even held were tourney matches, no casual matches. After the tourney ended that room was empty.

If we have a casual session that means that people who may place consistently high on the results, won’t be forced to play or stop doing whatever else they’re doing. This will allow players who are looking to get some practice in more time to have casual matches and get better then just having one or two tourney matches and calling it good.

Not to say tourneys don’t help improve people. People have more drive to practice and pressure/incentive to do well. However they do take quite a bit of time and while they’re going people can’t have casual matches, and thus the people who aren’t placing high aren’t going to be able to improve or practice.

Ultimately I think a break would be beneficial, but I’ve enjoyed the tournies. I’ve entered ST every time I’ve been there, and hell I even played marvel last time. That was fucking hilarious.

Nicely played sir haha. I honestly don’t know who you’re talking about though… Just the thought of anyone being such a tourney buff that they won’t show up to a fun social event like Zach’s gatherings if a tourney isn’t going on rubbed me the wrong way.

I wouldn’t call such people anti-social, per se. Just realize that Marvel and poker are the only two guarantees. Being an MvC2 fan boy, if my Friday nights were always free, I’d attend every single one of Preppy’s gaming nights.

But you’ve got to realize that not all people are interested in either Marvel or poker. And the sad truth is, if it weren’t for the tournaments, they’d have a good chance of making the drive out to Kirkland and never actually getting a single round of their preferred game in.

Chris, you play poker. But imagine if there were no poker there, what would you do? Go into the basement and hit CvS2 training mode? Remember what it was like for 3s and CvS2 players prior to March? It was impossible for those guys to get any casual games in, since the only people that attended were Marvel-heads. I guess they could just hang out and get wasted, but it’s Friday, and you ain’t got shit to do! I’ve never seen you smoke or drink at Zach’s. So you might be an odd exception, since I’ve seen you just sit on the couch and play single player games before. Maybe you’re not the best example. But I think I made some point in my long and drawn out ramblings. You might have to sift through to find it though.

I agree with Chris. For the most part, Zach’s is our only chance to get in some games in any form. I don’t even understand why Keith is so pro tourney, he sucks at all games and complains that he ends up running the tournies in the end. Maybe he needs something to bitch about since he has no job.

Casual gatherings won’t hurt anything. If breaks are more frequent and longer then the players and directors won’t be so quick to get burned out. While I am all about ST and Marvelz, it is sort of annoying not having any time to play other games.

I drink a few beers and talk with people, and people know I’ll play casual whatever. I even play Marvel and get raped when the rotation is laid back enough. In fact there was a Zach gathering a few months ago with no tournaments or even poker and I considered it one of the most fun in a while. It was just me, Mandel, and Nate playing CvS2 with a Marvel rotation upstairs. Very chill like when I first started hanging out with everyone.

So to answer your question, yea I would go if there was no poker. My point was that most people there are fun to chill with regardless of what games we’re playing.

EDIT: Oh yea, with that 3S cab in the garage I mind even less if poker gets dropped. :smiley:

I’ve never laughed so hard that I had Dr. Pepper leave through my nose before. Damn you pablo! Damn you! :lol:

Damn.

PREACH!

CHURCH!

ICE NINE IS A BO$$ PLAYA!

COLD AS ICE. /EDGAR

I agree with you on this.

Shit. I catch myself being outside and having mind blowing conversations with my nigs!

Just chillin. Talkin shit!

What we do best.

I miss everyone! lol!

Im trying to so hard to show up there on the 7th.

I’d just like to pop in and fuel the fire by saying that Zachs house gatherings were much better before the tournament shit started. 100x more chill.

Not that the tournies are bad, shits still really fun, but yeah.

I kind of like playing tourneys because it’s the only time I can play Row without him letting me win…