Scrub Quotes: Capcom Unity Balance Suggestions Edition!

[ilitirit]

“Long time Ken player here (SF1).”

Actual post.

[sorrowstick]

i hate capcom unity forum…
full bunch of goodie2-too-shoes gay.

and i can believe some retards would quote some of their post over this very SRK.

[Huggy_Bear]

The Ken Thread <3

• Make him have an AIR GRAB (like GUY, GUILE, and Chun-Li).

• Interchange his Ultra 1 with his Super Art, so as to have better fadc into Ultra combo possibility and usability. I’ve always felt that his Ultra 1 is underutilised because Ken does not really have too many options to utilise it from. Same goes for his SUPER ART. I’ve always fet that it was underutilised. Interchanging the two would make KEN Top Tier which is about freaking time Capcom!

• Walkspeed obviously the most requested! As i said Ken is supposed to be FASTER than Ryu cannon wise.

-Better shoryukens he is the master of Shoryukens after all, I don’t see why other characters have a better Shoryken than his or at least make the HP DP more invisible it trades too often

• 1. Bring back his Air throw. can be followed after FADC.

2. His normal crazy kicks should be back as specials like SSF2T.

3. Should bring back Ken’s roll and kis Ruysenkyaku (wheel kick)

• Much less start up on his overhead kick and make it +2 and a 3rd ultra that turns him into violent ken.

The Ryu Thread <3

• i think ryu should get more reward form his anti-air, the reason is now many char can change his or her timing in air attack. such as cammy, sakura…it made ryu can not anti-air with hp shoryuken, but the mp shoryuken always hit opponent with 50 dam, even hit each other.when u faceed sakura , you had to use cr. hp to do this, all above made ryu fells hard to do with these attack.

• Ryu is the main character of the game and master hadouken then think deserves improvements such as:

Solar Plexus 120 damage

dash range increase 10%

Hadouken recover 40 from all version

Hadouken ex 120 damage

• i’d like to see ultra 2 doing 600 damage upon getting the cinematic. I don’t think many people would disagree with this seeing as it is his Shin Shoryu in Ultra form afterall

[Eternal]

Lol yeah I posted that 600 damage one earlier, made me laugh.

“
3. Should bring back Ken’s roll and kis Ruysenkyaku (wheel kick)”

Sadly, I’m so scrubby I actually want this one. Everything else is stupid though (Esp Violent Ken, he looks cool and all sure but there is enough of that shit with Akuma/Oni/Evil Ryu already in the game)

[Eternal]

ATTENTION EVERYONE! Users under the nickname GENIS SAGE and NICK ARE TROLLS AND HEAVY LOBBISTS! THEY ARE ALL OVER EVERY SINGLE FORUM REGARDING CHARACTER BALANCE THOUGH IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCED IN PLAYING ALL OF THEM. THEY KEEP SUPPORTING EACH OTHER AND ACT AS A JUDGES ON WHAT SHOULD AND WHAT SHOULN’T BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE GAME! These claims are not hard to check. Just head to any other forum concerning the update issue and you will find them acting all smart about what is right for the game and what is not.

I THEREFORE SUGGEST THAT THEIR POSTS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION REGARDING ANY OTHER SF4 UPDATE MATTER!

MODERATORS, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE TIME TO SEE WHAT THESE TWO HAVE BEEN DOING HERE! THANK YOU.

Because voicing your opinion on other characters is against the rules apparently XD (Genis Sage = Killer Jigglypuff. Dunno who Nick is)

Blocked / whiffed flashkicks are hard to punish in specific matchup situations, cooldown animation should be a lil bit longer so if it can be punished anyway, all characters can have equal chances to do so.

c.LK is the most ridicolous chain, I suggest dramatic increase of self-pushback for it.

Would be nice to have an Ultra 1 setup.

Lower health.

(said about Guile)

Ok, lower health? No. c.LK nerf? ehhhh that is a bad choice but I don’t think it’s outright ‘scrubby’ just… a dumb choice. Blocked / whiffed flash kicks being hard to punish in some matchups? LOLWUT?

Ok, if anything, Guile’s flash kicks are the most balanced in the game in terms of being punishable. Possibly even under powered. They have the 2nd longest amount of grounded recovery frames in the game for an invincible anti air (Gouken is 26F grounded. Guile is 23. Akuma is 18, Cammy is only 12F and Sakura is 11F! Ken’s LP DP is 9F) plus it is even more unsafe on block than even Sagat’s Tiger Upper. I bet this guy has a hard time punishing Viper’s whiffed ultra 1.

1. Give him low Sonic Booms like Remy.

2. Make his sunglasses taunt cause the oppenent to flinch like Dudley’s rose.

Because this game has parries. Also sunglasses taunt causing a flinch would make putting them on after a stun for extra snazziness be a bad thing.

[details=Spoiler]Dropping some of my ideas for character changes.

GUILE:

Storyline…same, back with family daughter. Really looking for charlie, more than ever. He is going to find a brain washed Charlie. When he does all hell will break lose.

Focus attack: same.

Throw: pull enemy head down and elbow, knee there head twice. Knockdown.

1. Old throws the same. Over shoulder throw.

2. Suplex: same

3. Air grab, back breaker, then tosses them backwards.

4. In air grab throw…changed to a grab fall with them to the ground shoulder smash. Jumps up and back.

5. Glasses put on cost two super meter bars, makes Guiles sonic boom charge faster, as well as makes his flash kick go out further. Basically his boom and flash are nerfed till he puts on the glasses. Once the glasses go in he is back to ssf4ae2012… Guile. Glasses can be knocked off after 20 hits. Can carry over from round to round.

6. Command throw: guile grabs enemy by one foot, turns and pulls it over his shoulder, enemy flys in air set up for air grabs or other combos, enemy body hits the ground and takes very little damage. Best used with jumping air throw or ultra set ups. Ex grabs foot kicks enemy in the chest then pulls them over and up higher.

7. Jumping flash kick in the air. Ex makes enemy bounce off ground…into a standing guile side kick. Huge risk, recovery is high on missed moves.

8. Sonic boom: nerfed slowed down, till the glasses go on. Travel speed, and animation slower. Ex without glasses sends two booms out faster and quick recovery. Ex with glasses sends out a bigger boom that hits twice and is faster than quick silver. Once he puts on shades sonic booms come out faster and hit harder, animation on recovery is almost low.

9. Flash kick pulled back, doesn’t go out as far, doesn’t hit as hard and has longer recovery animations. Till the glasses go on. Shades go on and his flash kicks stick out further and have less recovery. Ex flash without glasses hits twice and has range, recovery is faster. With glasses on, he has range and doesn’t go in the air as high, really fast recovery.

10. Has a fake flash kick…he says flash…and walks forward or back…set up game. No ex.

Glasses have no effect on supers or ultras.

Blue super 1: same flash kicks as always. Hits three times.

Red super2: rushing forward punches and kicks. Kinda like his sfa3 super ends with a pop up kick …jump up and back breaker.

Ultra 1: same as always: however it sucks in, and goes threw the full ultra animations even on block.

Ultra 2: super hurricane sonic boom. Same as before, except motion was changed to double roll forward…punches.

Ultra 3: cuff and stuff: throws hand cuffs, goes threw projectiles, hits holds enemy in place for Guile to come in and do some, police brutality. Guile throws some sonic booms, a couple knees, spinning back punches, flip kicks, and then a throw in air. Enemy bounces off ground, Guile jumps up And back breakers enemyTo end the ultra.

Random ko: gets knocked out, and hits the ground, combs and cuffs fly out all over the ground…oooooaaaahhhhh x3.

Reverse ko: guile cuffs enemy, then cuffs one cuff to his own hand. Drags enemy off screen dragging them by the cuff. Come on with me, gotta turn you in to the proper authorities. Quit crawling maggot.

Team ko: guile and Charlie. In a kinda wild fight…talk. Hitting the enemy back and forth while talking about where Charlie has been. Guile wants answers and charlie keeps putting enemy in front of Guile. In the end the two are more squaring off then reuniting. Talk of mind control, and power.

Final ko 1: guile grabs enemy and suplexes them three times in a row, back and forth. Then the speed of the suplexes increase, he slams them over five more times, X-ray shows there back, neck, and skull cracking. Guile starts slowing down getting tired and slams them three more times slow mo. Stands and picks up enemy, spin kicks them into the air and back breakers the living piss out of enemy…their body is like a limp noodle, Guile throws their body off and says get off me hippie. Win pose…ko

Final ko 2: Guile walks over to enemy and grabs them. Says now your going to talk, I want information on everything Shadowloo. Starts beating them with punches and knees to the face and gut. Says you want this to stop just spill the beans…holding them by the neck…leans over says what? I don’t here anything. Tackles enemy and mounts them mma style. Raining punches down on there face side to side…talk…more punches…talk…more punches. Enemy goes limp… Guile says good for nothing!!! Stands up and shakes his hands, combs hair…ko

Final ko 3: Guile walks up to enemy and takes his dog tags off wraps them around enemy neck and start pulling on them choking enemy out. Enemy struggles to get away, Guile just pulls harder. Enemy turns red then blue, stops struggling and eyes roll back. Guile let’s go as they fall forward in a clump. Guile says mission over chump! your going in…ko

[/details] Obligatory “Greedy” fanfic posting.

I can’t wait to read his Gen x Akuma shipping story! ;3

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

There are thankfully folks over there who have seen my posts for what they actually are, fair and well thought out. He posted that in literally every thread too lol.

Also lol @ all the handcuff references with Guile, I’ll give him credit if those are actually a clever reference to the handcuff glitch from WW. Though judging by all the other stuff it appears he thinks Guile is a cop or something. Also how would that stuff work on Cody…?

[Angry_Abel]

If this guy is a troll, he’s an absolute genius.

[chubbyfingerz]

Greedy is a genius

[_Insert_Name_Here]

Greedy’s posts are too stupid to be serious.

I refuse to believe that there’s a human out there who would actually think like that.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

More Greedy nonsense:

[details=Spoiler]More of my silly outlandish balance ideas!!!

T.Hawk

Storyline: getting revenge. Found his woman. Some changes for the big guy, loses some health, and stun. Gains fadc ability.

New throw: like his old he remix throw …three elbows and a kick away.

1. 360 kicks far away and close…bull charge into wall ram x2… Tombstone pile driver. Leaves enemy standing on there head for a sec…while he jumps back. Ex is faster speed. Longer range.

2. Jumping chop fist. From sfa3. Goes threw fireballs on ex. Jumps across screen and chops. Very long recovery on miss. Fast way to get in on enemy. Ex is faster.

3. Can Fadc his upper, or flying chop. Loses some health and stun. Speed has increased. Can ex sparrow in the air only in a combo in air. More options on how to get in, or out. Making more options for combos…sparrow, upper,sparrow, dive.

4. Uppercut: same animation, new abilities. Can fadc his upper now, damage scale comes in. Ex: same.

5. Sparrow: has same range, faster recovery. Ex same.

6. Typhoon slam: same…ex same.

7. Downward sparrow dive, same, ex same.

Blue super 1: same as before. Grab triple typhoon slam.

Red super2: downward sparrow multi hits into shoulder grab flip over front slam.

Ultra: same. Huge range…instant.

Ultra: changed to a double roll forward fireball motion. Can hit off the ground with knee. and can hit from a fadc now…damage scale is huge.

Ultra: unbeatable wall: powers him up for 12 secs of armor. He can’t be knocked down, he takes little damage, and can walk forward and grab, slam, pound on enemy.

Random ko: gets knocked out, hits ground and bottle of Boose, falls out on ground, he rolls over all groggy grabbing for his bottle…rolling just out of his reach…he says fire water…need fire water. His eagle swoops in and grabs bottle and flys off. T screams noooooooo…then passes out.

Reverse ko: T. Does a rain dance around enemy in a circle, making the ( hey how are you) noise with his mouth and swinging around his axes. Enemy sits with stars flying around head… Watches T. Dance till they pass out again.

Team ko: T.Hawk and El Fuerte.

Halk grabs enemy by feet and slam enemy back and forth three times, last slam bounces enemy off ground, el.f jumping guacamole slams enemy into the ground. Mounts them and pours hot sauce in the face, enemy screams. El.f picks up enemy and throws them at T., he catches them with one hand and typhoon slams them into the ground, picks the, up and racks them over his shoulder. As elf runs fast as lighting up the side of the walls and frying pan smashes enemy on T’s shoulders x3. Hawk slams enemy on the ground. Both him and El.f jump in the air. Camera changes to them flying in air and El.f sitting on Hawks shoulders, frying pan held high. They both come crunching down on enemy body, X-ray shows ribs cracking…T holds his hand up like ultra one, El.f holds frying pan up…they both jump off and pose…ko.

Final ko 1: hawk has bird fly in a brown bag. Drops it off to Hawk…he opens bag and pours it onto downed enemy. Rattle snakes , pour out and start biting enemy all over as Hawk rain dances screaming hey how are you!..enemy passes out…ko

Final ko 2: scalping the enemy? Hawk grabs enemy puts them between his legs, turns his back to the screen, whips out a huge axe and starts grinding away, enemy screaming, blood spirts come flying out from behind his turned back. Enemy body flopping all over struggling. More grinding…screams then enemy body goes limp. Hawk still with back turned to screen holds, up a chunk of enemy, hair, skin…ko you never see the cutting. It is only implied…that the scalp took place…

Final ko 3: grabbing body breaker, Hawk grabs enemy by the foot and slams them back and forth, front to back, x8 slow mo X-ray showing bones cracking, enemy screaming, lasso swings enemy over head for 1080 rotations, throws them in the air, jumps and grabs them by head typhoon slams them, they bounce off ground he grabs enemy foot and jumps in air again for a another huge typhoon. Enemy body bounces once again in air, T. Grabs enemy by foot as they hang upside down, bleeding on the ground. He punches them like a punching bag, till they go limp. Drops them in a thump off limp body meat, puts one foot on them and screams…howling.[/details]

Wow…das racist yo.

[Eternal]

I’m about 90% certain that this is simply a typo but it made me laugh:

(from the Cody forums)

more fater

Fat Cody plz? lol

[details=Spoiler]

Silly silly balance ideas!!!

Vega:

Storyline: is more of the shadowloo backstory as well as a new love hate story of Vega and Zangief. Vega is mad in love with the Russian wrestler.

New throw: grabs enemy and backhand smashes them in the face with his mask…then stabs the enemy and kicks them off his blade. If he is missing one or the other, he back hands enemy, then gut punches them…kicks them off his hand.

1. Suplex slam. Same

2. Pulls and trips them backwards…they slide on the ground. New throw.

3. Air throw same.

4. Frankensteiner …jumps on enemy shoulders and flips them on their head.

Changes: one major change is tick damage on block with his claw attacks. When he swings his blade it will hurt you.

1. Faster in the air, faster roll. Hangs on to equipment much longer…much much longer. Takes at least 25 hits before he loses his claw… 35 hits before mask comes off. These carry over from round to the next round.

2. New mask, and claw throw…mask causes dizzy. Claw causes crumple. Vega throws these at enemy…really fast. Claw is free…mask uses meter. Taking off claw or claw falling off decreases the damage Vega takes from attacks basically he can take more damage…however his range is shortened. Taking off his mask or mask falling off increases his power on all of his attacks…however his defense drops. If vega loses both claw and mask…he becomes a power house …defense is that of a kitten.with little range on his attacks. Maybe knocking his mask and blade off is a bad idea…?

3. Can hold onto the wall and slides down… Or delay his jump off wall grab.On his stage he can jump on the back cage and move around. Super fast jump off speed.

4. Vegas roll: speed on start up has increased…Very fast now. Ex faster.

5. Leg flip kick: move changed to be a dp with kick. Other than that it is the same. Ex is the same.

6. Wall jump off stab: same… Ex same. The move has a speed buff. All Vegas movements are faster in air.

7. Jump off wall and grab or slice: air movement is faster…with more wiggle room for movement in air. Greater grab radius. Ex same. Can cancel move and slide down wall…or delay the move and jump off wall grab after he slides down a little.

Super1: doesn’t get used if he doesn’t hit the move, missed, or stuffed he keeps super meter. Jumps off wall and grabs enemy for a jumping back drop three times. Grab radius is greater. Much greater, and can grab threw moves.

Super2: super rolling slash into upper kick. Rolls into enemy slice and dice to a up kick. Rolls under projectiles. Nice setup on last hit to combo a ultra into. Blades cause tears in the air, like its slicing threw a third dimension.

Ultra 1: movement changed to a double fireball motion. Hits pops up and slices back and forth…or jumps off wall slice and dice. Faster start up. Blood …blood…blood…and roses…vega lands and licks blade, as enemy body lands. If move is blocked, vega bounces back from, wall jump and slice.

Ultra 2: changed back to the way it first was…start up is way too fast, and motion is a double roll forward. Slide kick, catches slice with blades, pop up huge leg flip kick…into a bloody… Slow mow, hard hitting slice…sends enemy body flying, and spinning. In flight the body trails a faint steam of blood… If move is blocked Vega is open standing right in front of enemy.

Ultra 3: fast reversal: poses with blade in air…on hit he does a standing claw combo into a rolling fury of slices, ends with a standing stab to enemy stomach, then kicks them off his blade after he try’s pulling it out twice… Licks his blade and says my friend is hungry for blood. Then swings his blade at the ground, to flick off excess blood… If move is missed he will pose for two seconds…then go back to normal standing or crouching animation.

Random ko: falls back…screaming not my face, my beautiful face. Hits the ground knocked out and bleeding holds his face, while turning and squirming back and forth… …starts talking about how much he loves Zangief and how he would not be pretty anymore…then passes out.

Reverse ko: walks over to enemy and asks if they want to live? Lift up enemy and licks their face then acts like he is going to stab them…drops enemy to ground and starts laughing crazy.

Team ko: M.Bison and Vega… Vega crawling around on the ground like a ninja. Bison asks vega to take out the trash. Vega slices and dices all over enemy with claw, then pops up enemy with a leg kick for Bison to psycho crush upwards. Bison rides enemy to ground feet first. Into Vegas blade. Bison stomps enemy on belly trying to drive body into the blade. Bison jumps off, vega kicks body off blade…into bisons out stretched arm. Vega cleans blade off and poses. Bison picks up enemy looks at head. Then tosses them to the side, says …dirty human trash.

Final ko:

1. Jack the ripper: hack and slash… In the dark, enemy looking around, holding their wounds. More hack and slashes. Process happens three more times before enemy passes out… In a pool of blood. Ko.

2. Ninja madness: sneaky hits. Like a true ninja: ghost ninja hits, blurs, and claw hits…blood, phantom hits on a criss cross screen hit. Pops enemy into air, process continues. Drives enemy body down at peak, all the way to the ground, and stabs enemy 12 times in the chest… Ko

3. Bull true: enemy try’s to attack, running at Vega, he dodges and stabs enemy in back while screaming…o lay. This process happens 2 more times. on the last o lay Vega then drives the blade home from behind, grabs shoulders twists the blade back and forth, trys to pull out blade three times. Puts his foot on enemy back and pulls out blade. kicks enemy over, in a pool of blood. Ko

[/details]
At least Greedy finally admits his ideas are silly.

It’s been said a couple of times in this thread, but it deserves repeating.
Change c.lk back to 4f startup. It makes footsies for this character brain-dead easy.
This one move is really the difference that pushes Cody from an unplayable character to an OKAY character, but that’s no way to balance properly. Give him buffs in other areas. Make the hitboxes on his Ruffian Kicks better.
But this needs to go.

Should have expected this after SFxT lol.

[Necrotrophic]

"The topic is balancing SF4. Chun-Li is already a good character so if she is buffed, other chars will need to buffed even more.

I don’t agree spining should be an anti-air. It would make Chun-Li too strong on wakeup like Deejay. "

[Eternal]

Too strong on wake up… like… deejay?

“It’ll make her too athletic, like Stephen Hawking”

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Dhalsim has way too strong of a rushdown and upclose game. Chun Li needs no buffs.

…what.

Greedy has quickly become my favorite part of these threads. Now that he’s more or less confirmed for a silly little troll I enjoy his posts a lot more.

[Eternal]

I wouldn’t say “too strong” but Dhalsim has a legit rushdown game. It’s not good but it’s certainly usable in certain match ups (Cody for instance has surprising trouble with Rushdown sim). But no buffs for chun? Lol she is solid sure but she also def needs help. Just because a character has a lot of little weaknesses that add up rather than one super glaring weakness doesn’t mean that they don’t need buffs.

[Oilforthewin]

I think SF4AE.2012 top tier fighting is 65% skill, 35% guessing/random games.
Which coincidentally is about the amount of damage an average ultra can do to your HP.
Top tier players can certainly stretch that 35% guessing games into 75% with Seth or Akuma.
T.Hawk can only use that 35% and try to stretch it out to win when players are equally skilled, the opponents characters play themselves and are flat out superior.

Wow, the Akuma´s I play are bots?

http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/29831853/thawk-balance-suggestions?pg=15

It is interesting to see the post numbers of:
T.Hawk Balance Suggestions:147 posts (Not even in one day)
Balrog (Boxer) Balance Suggestions : 181 posts (In one week)

[chubbyfingerz]

The Dan thread has been vey positive and reasonable so far. I guess it takes a special kind of animal to play with this regrettable useless piece of Saikyo awesome trash

[Shinebox]

Walkspeed obviously the most requested! As i said Ken is supposed to be FASTER than Ryu cannon wise.

-Better shoryukens he is the master of Shoryukens after all, I don’t see why other characters have a better Shoryken than his or at least make the HP DP more invisible it trades too often

It’s funny because these request were asked for at every level of Ken players but not like this of course

Most just said they wanted Ryu’s walkspeed and more invincibility on HP SRK

The other interesting thing about this was DRS Chris kept asking on the forums here for Ken to get his sweep changed back to 7f start up. Then posted on the unity boards asking for the types of buffs Capcom would actually give him :\

[Krackatoa]

I feel really bad for Combofiend.

The Dan thread has been vey positive and reasonable so far. I guess it takes a special kind of animal to play with this regrettable useless piece of Saikyo awesome trash

It has not. You people are still asking for that goddamn command grab.

You people are terrible. Do you even realize the OS potential a command grab gives versus characters like Zangief or Abel that we’d get from shit like that? They’d literally be forced to block on every hard knockdown as we mindlessly wreck their shit.

The Abel matchup is already crazy good for Dan. Let’s just go and make it a 7-3 while we’re at it. Just for kicks.

[Eternal]

It’s funny because these request were asked for at every level of Ken players but not like this of course

Most just said they wanted Ryu’s walkspeed and more invincibility on HP SRK

The other interesting thing about this was DRS Chris kept asking on the forums here for Ken to get his sweep changed back to 7f start up. Then posted on the unity boards asking for the types of buffs Capcom would actually give him :\

Yeah, the way you ask can often take a reasonable request and make it scrubby. For instance. Say I honestly felt from a balance perspective that Zangief’s SPD needed a damage buff (I don’t but this is hypothetical.) saying “I feel that Zangief could use an increase in his SPD damage for this gameplay related reason and to improve his options within these examples of gameplay situations. This is the current data on his SPD as compared to multiple characters and situations.” ok that isn’t scrubby it is well thought out, regardless if you AGREE with it the person put in time to research the data and voice it in a clear tone. If you say “Lol zangeef is like 300lbs and jumps 20feet in the air! He is the strongest character in steet fighter is stpuid he does less damage than a little skool girl! Buff his SDP damage plzzzz!” both are asking for the exact same thing but one is asking for a super scrubby reason and the other is taking time to consider their reasoning and putting in more than 30seconds of time into their opinion.

Anyone who tries to use canon / real world / character personality / character sex / character size (not like their hurtbox size just like ‘Sagat is 9ft tall!’) for balance reasoning is kind of scrubby. hell, I freely admit that my personal wish for Cody to have either his final fight chain combo or his knee drop returned comes from a rather scrubby fan boy love of Final Fight and being sad Cody has lost so much of his iconic history from FF and Alpha 3. However I at least take the time to explain how those moves would also help him as a character in terms of balance / options. (It’s still a little bit scrubby though but w/e lol)