Scrub Quotes: Capcom Unity Balance Suggestions Edition!

[blufang]

I want this Greedy guy to be the head honcho for the rebalance. Capcom hire him! What vision, imagination, hilarity! The game may end up horribly imbalanced, but I bet it would be so fun no one would care.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

If I have to explain to these retards one more time why Honda and Makoto don’t need fireball invincibility on EX Headbutt/Hayate I swear to God.

[Mr.PaVy-RD]

i have a feeling this greedy guy was the one who decided to make striders oroboros a lv3 that sucks while giving vergil gucci belt for 1 bar

[Mr.PaVy-RD]

i just want dudley buffed but i see capcom is afraid of making him anywhere as good as 3S dudley.capcom is purposely making his normals bad and stealth nerfing him in each version of the game. i want

-His normals to actually hit on his glove like its suppose to
-SSB have throw invincibility and to move his hurtbox behind him like in third strike
-Do not buff his SRK why? because he does massive dmg off of trades
-reduce the recovery on his Cr.RH or push him back like in 3s
-Remove the slipping jab (F.lp) or make it useful somehow
-i like the walkspeed idea that eternal came up with

[Eternal]

@Mr.Pavy-RD I was pointing out that asking for a buff to Dudley’s walk speed was pretty scrubby level request given he has one of the fastest walks speeds in the game already lol. (He is tied for 8th place, only faster characters are Cammy/Akuma/Vega/Chun/Bison/DJ/Gen(Crane)) I was thinking you’d laugh at the idea of buffing something already so insanely good. Anyways, you want to suggest stuff put it on CU or int he AE R equest thread, not here. This is for scrub quotes

Btw Funny thing most people don’t realize, from a comparitive standpoint Dudley’s walk speed is FASTER in SF4 than in 3S. Of course that is true for Akuma too (who until SF4 always walked same speed as Ryu/Ken in SF style games but was faster in crossover games.) Ibuki/Makoto are slower than they were in 3S though, not to mention the difference in stage/screen size.

Anyways back on topic:

give st.lk special cancel back like in vanilla. he needs this to play keep out as he gets out footsied by other characters and with his minus frames on low shots its not even worth the risk of using shots in footsie range and risk eating 300 damage combos into set up + vortex city.other characters have a 3f 4f normal cancel into special + combo/knockdown i.e fei, cody, cammy so its not broken to give it back to him.

(Said about Sagat)

Ok, this quote is not too bad at the start. I disagree with it, but it’s not scrubby… until he compares Sagat having a 3F/4F special cancelable normal being ok because Cody/Cammy have it so it’s not broken. Again with the Cody comparisons. Zoning character compared to Frame trap characters. Zangief has a 2F command throw, so it wouldn’t be broken to give it to Rufus!

Angry Scar to make Tiger Uppercut more damage on Ryu. Cos Ryu hurt him bad! ><

Has to be a troll, but made me laugh.

sagat needs 2 things:

• old s.lk

• 1200 hp and stun.

that’s all. Don’t even care about U1 glitches in the corner.

And the obligatory post from our current favorite troll: Greedy

[details=Spoiler]A couple ideas for character balance and changes.

Sagat:

Storyline: fueled with rage against Adon…Sagat has set his sites on taking back his crown. Becoming stronger friends with Ryu, he has a new training partner. This interferes with Bisons plans. Sagat is faced with termination from shadoloo. This means death.

New throw: pulls enemy in close…by the shoulder…with his other hand he makes a tiger shot…it builds slowly, then he releases it into there face and drops the to the ground.

1. Over shoulder throw: same

2. Knees enemy stomach while holding them with one hand by face in air. Same.

3. Jumping forward roundhouse sweep kick low. Like his step forward uppercut.

4. Can hold his tiger shots, up to three secs. tiger shots are the same other than that. Ex is the same…it can also be held. Both high and low.

3 can stack glowing tiger buffs up to eight…carries over from round to round. Stack them all up and land a tiger upper for some huge damage.

4. Tiger knee: same. Ex same

5. Tiger uppercut: same. Ex same.

6. fake kick cancel: made easier. Screams tiger knee and doesn’t move.

Changes: he is still really hard hitting tuff guy.

Blue super: same tiger uppercuts.

Red super2: three quick tiger shots high, low, high. Fireballs look like mini tigers coming from his hands.

Ultra 1: same as always. Knee, into uppercut madness.

Ultra 2: same: huge fire ball.

Ultra 3: rushing threw attack: starts off by holding his chest scar…crouches down and starts running like sf the animation. Running and screaming…can absorb two hits, runs jumps and does the old tiger genocide flame kick. Hits 12 times. Straight flying kick.

Random ko: knocked out and eye ball pops out from under his patch…bounces around like a ping pong ball. Then rolls in a circle. Different kinds of fake eyes.

Reverse ko: I cannot imagine the headache you will have when you awake! Till then let me help you recover from your wounds of battle. He squats down. Can you walk?..then let me carry you. Lift up enemy in his arms and carries them off screen. We will do this again one day and I will teach you your mistakes once again.

Team ko: Adon and Sagat

Talk of who is king of muai tai, and then they beat on enemy as too show off, Sagat is more refined, telling Adon that he doesn’t need to kill the enemy to prove his power. Adon with juggling knees and elbows. Sagat with powerful leg kicks and spinning elbows. Adon grabs enemy and is going to deliver a killing blow, Sagat pulls enemy away, throws them on the ground and blocks Adons kick…holds it there and says you don’t have to do this. The power you seek is a short lived road. True power comes from calmness, not revenge. Throws leg away and says go home. Adon and Sagat pose.

Final ko 1: now you will feel the fury of the tiger. My secret technique …tiger blast. Sagat builds a huge fire ball in both outstretched arms. Slams them together and releases a huge tiger shaped fire ball that blasts enemy… Their body falls to the ground smoking and sizzling…ko

Final ko 2: crushing elbows, spin enemy and make cracking noises, side low kicks that crush enemy legs, rushing elbows from side to side of enemy…Sagat takes a few steps back and jumps forward in a spinning downward motion to the top of enemy head, X-ray shows top of their head crack in slow mo, then enemy body slams to the ground with a fast thud…ko

Final ko 3: Sagat grabs enemy and starts kneeing them in the stomach, 50 time really fasts…Sagat drops Emmy to their feet. They are can barely stand…Sagat walks over and grabs them by their face and pushes them over in disgust. They flop over…win pose, ko

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[Trouble_Brewing]

lol, capcom unity

[jay_red]

I loved the honda one about eating sushi.

[Eternal]

more frame advantage on block for here axe kick would be nice. as it is now, on block even HK axe kick is usually -2 or worse unless it is dont very low the the ground.

This is a pretty good one for Makoto. @Killer_Jigglypuff Exactly how high in the air do you have to be for Tsurgi to be worse than -2F on block? I’m pretty sure the only way for that is if you hit like a standing Sagat at the top of his head/chest.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Not only that, but the pushback is gonna keep you safe from everything in the game except maybe a lp. Spd from Gief anyway, lol. What, do these kids want her to be at +frames or something? That’d be almost as bad as it being an overhead.

[LoyalSol]

I saw one guy requesting Dudley’s EX MG have armor. Yea a move that takes 13 frames to cross the whole screen have armor. >_<

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

IF BALROG HAS ARMOR Y NOT DUDLEY DURR

[Eternal]

besides his mule kick being added, it should be canceable into U1. and also pls make his U2 be invincible towards cod’s U1 because thats embarrasing being stopped by a knock down punch such as cody U1. Ryu is doing a shoryuken the strongest move there is on the game or at least the most fierce move.

– Said about Ryu

I love that I’m randomly skimming the forums I’m not even reading every page yet I’m consistently finding comparisons to Cody for reasons to buff a character. I seriously am dumbfounded by this. I’m not seeing it nearly as often for other characters. Is it just me? Am I just noticing it more? Or is there seriously more people saying “Give blank X because Cody has Blank or can Blank.” I mean I’ve seen 1-2 references to Dan or to Cammy or even Akuma but I’m seeing Cody in every forum, and it’s always from some of the scrubbiest quotes lol. I mean I saw a comparison of Dan’s LK Tatsu to Sakura’s LK Tatsu, that is a bit lopsided but I can understand some of the points they are trying to make but this? Lolwut.

Make his DP not get stuffed or trade badly when timed correctly. Ryu has to work really hard to do something as simple as AA with a DP. Not Vanilla easy, but it seems silly as is.

– Said About Ryu

If your DP is getting “stuffed” or “Trading badly” then by definition you aren’t “Timing it correctly” this isn’t Vega’s Scarlet Terror or Rose’s cr.HP. It is a 3F move with full invincibility though till the active frames AND a bunch of active frames, AND is actually rises up making it so you can even anti air early and not worry that they will go over you and you’ll miss entirely (like Makoto’s Fukiage)

Found Greedy’s post for Ken!

[details=Spoiler]
I was hoping to beef up characters and wanted to drop some of my ideas.

KEN:

Storyline: Raising his son, and still training Sean. Competing in less tournaments than before. After he fought Gill his skill level has increased by leaps and bounds. He has the will power of fighting not only for himself but also for his family and friends now.

Changes: his hair is longer, has dropped his old outfits for new ones. Big changes are his leg kick tricks. Still a beast when pouring on the reversal uppercuts, offensive master.

Focus attack: same as before. No change.

1. Leg kick tricks…two hit combos. Two different combos that can lead into super moves. Just like his hd remix moves…faster…more of a create a combo from kicks. Has a low Mk into a quick axe kick. Or a high hook kick, into a spinning sweep. Ex fast low Mk into axe kick up and down, bounces enemy off ground. Low damage!!

2. Flop kick…from alpha: jumps up and forward flip kicks forward heels first. Long recovery on miss. Knockdown on hit. Ex is faster. Low damage!!

3. Fireball : same Ex causes more stun window before the knock down…make fadc into ultra window higher.

4. Forward Mk …Kara throw has been fixed, it now pushes ken backwards…and has more frames of recovery at end can’t be cancelled into a throw. Nerf.

5. Hurricane kicks: same. Ex same.

6. Uppercut: a little more recovery on weak…med. Ex: same.

7. Air throw: huge recovery on miss, low priority, really low damage.

Another standing throw: neutral grab, Ken grabs enemy and knees enemy hd remix style…three quick knees followed up by a straight up face kicking…close axe kick.

Blue super1: same uppercutts three in a row.

Red super2: hurricane kick, hits 5 times, into a raising uppercutt…flaming uppercutt. Can tap punches for more hits added to the move. Good anti air.

Ultra 1: upper, leg kick combo into massive flaming uppercut. same…more suck in on air enemies. Fadc for full ultra…damage scale.

Ultra 2: same. Jumping leg flame circle hurricane kicks, ends with huge kick away. Faster start up, hits and sucks in enemy, fadc into…damage scale.

Ultra 3: jumping dive kicks like Kim kappa wan. Stomps enemy to ground flips backwards and throws fireball blast from air to ground…no fadc.

Random ko: ken gets knocked out hits ground hard, flips around lands face first, butt stuck up in the air and his pants fall down, he farts and a stink cloud comes out…ken smiles…and says mommy…eyes roll back. Ko …body flops over.

Reverse ko: ken runs over to enemy as they are falling and cradles them with his leg, not letting them hit the ground hard. Bends over and says whoooooooooah I was too much for you huh? Hang on…pulls out is cell and calls an air ambulance.

Team ko: Ryu and Ken together. Both do standing combos kicking and punching enemy back and forth, both get together and do a uppercut on both sides of enemy, sending their body flying into the air. They both jump back and build a super fire ball, they both release the fireballs into the falling enemy body. Cause the enemy to bounce all over getting hit by both fireballs. Ko…Ryu and Ken stand back to back. Win pose.

Final ko 1: leg kick combo on standing enemy, every kick is slow mo heavy damage, every other kick shows X-ray of bones cracking, final kick topples enemy over to the ground…bloody body shaking and enemy screaming on every hit. Ko

Final ko 2: starts off like his kick super from third strike…stops in the middle of combo, laughs and flings his hair back, holds enemy up with one hand, then calls his son…his boy rushes in with a red outfit on looks like a mini Ken. Runs in and does a sliding straight punch to the enemy crotch…ding, audiable sound. Stars and look of pain on every character except women characters, it makes a thud noise and they scream ohhhhh and fall over holding there groin. Ken and son pose…ko.

Final ko 3: uppercut crazy sauce. Ken screams and gathers a massive amount of ki around himself…a yellow haze glow surrounds him as he heads in to attack enemy. Ken performs 5 uppercut, fadc forward,uppercuts in a row, after last upper he scream out this is it. Camera angle changes to above, shows ken squatted down and building a huge uppercut. Ki blast shoots out from under his feet. He rises in the air with a huge spinning uppercut, the flames are thick and form the shape of a dragon around his spinning body, flames up enemy and juggle hits the for 128 hits really fast. Ken falls back to the ground and stands with his his eyes closed. Enemy body falls from the sky with a thud, Ken raises his hand and says it is finished. Ko

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He should go write for Rob Liefeld.

[Reewind]

I saw one guy requesting Dudley’s EX MG have armor. Yea a move that takes 13 frames to cross the whole screen have armor. >_<

There were dozens, I counted more than 5.

IF BALROG HAS ARMOR Y NOT DUDLEY DURR

They think Dudley has the worst time “getting in”.

Even the “serious” posts on that forum are retarded.

My favourites are the ones that start:
“Hi I’ve been playing Ryu since Street Fighter 1 so I’m no scrub here are my suggestions please listen to me”

"Hi ! I am the best dudley player in Switzerland ( europe). I know the character very very well !"
capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/29822787/dudley-balance-suggestions?post_num=148#530104163

[Reewind]

Eh, no idea how that posted twice. I wonder what happened to the delete feature.

[Eternal]

Someone needs to post “Hi I’m the best Ryu in my apartment. I know the character very well”

[Immaculate]

For Sakura:

She’s a bit too much of a fantasy character out of Ono’s perverted child fantasy, so in first place I would suggest her complete removal or grown up restructuring of her character. I mean… she’s underage, virgin and school student! Face it!

Adds:
a grown up fighting lady costume put as main costume, put the schoolgirl as alternate 3
improve her fireball, where it doesn’t freaking fizzle mid screen

Minus:
add frames on c.mp so it doesn’t combo into another EX-tatsu and improve its damage.
removal of… what… 8 hits?? on her shouoken
give a factual utility to her Sakura Otoshi or remove it, if is meant to punish fireball characters fullscreen then improve her fireball, and is frustrating a 3 hit move where the 3rd hit never hits!
removing so much frame advantage of her tatsu as well…

Lol@everything

And for the nerfs he clearly has no fucking idea what he is talking about
FACTUAL UTILITY OF OTOSHI?!?!

[Eternal]

That is a pretty funny typo for sure. Made me picture Sakura doing the Ace Attourney “OBJECTION!”

Also I like how he HAD to specify she was a virgin. LOL

Lots of people here are asking for ultra 2 buffs.

i’d like to see ultra 2 doing 600 damage upon getting the cinematic. I don’t think many people would disagree with this seeing as it is his Shin Shoryu in Ultra form afterall. It’s just something to make it more appealing. Ultra 1 would still be the lower damaging but more versatile Ultra(maybe even lower the damage just a little).

(Ryu)

XD O Shoto forums are the best. I seriously can’t wait for the Akuma ones because I know it is going to be GOLD. Sorry Akuma mainers who actually put in time and effort to learn your character but you gotta admit, Akuma and Ken attract the largest portion of idiots in SF. Of course that is inevitable as Ryu, Ken, Akuma are the 3 most popular characters in the series according to the Capcom poll. Seriously though, I can’t wait for Greedy’s Akuma to Shin Akuma post.

give ken a new move.

and also i would like capcom to transform ken and ryu. let ken keep fire move and have ryu a water moves fx after has hadoken shoryu ken and wirl wind kick. so they can same move and have a unique fx

[Ryuken9]

All I want for Ken is my 7 frames sweep back, both Ryu and Akuma can combo into their sweep from a standing l.p with less difficulty. Somehow they decided it was too much for Ken, I don’t think he would be broken if they decided to buff his c.hk.

Now people are asking for the 1st hit of HP Shoryuken to cause a juggle state, if you would learn how to kara dps in combos you wouldn’t whiff the second hit of the DP when you’re far away. Plus you would lose the ability to combo after the first hit when you FADC.

[dayvon_p]

I use to main ken before i ditched him for yun. If you still cannot kara dp in your bnbs, then they shouldn’t be asking for anything regarding the character.

[VolcanicAkuma55]

Eternal on behalf of serious akuma mainers, i thank u for ur sympathy. tho personally i woodnt say no to shin akuma…