Just to make my point clear [’_’] I’m talking about why Japan doesn’t play Marvel. Thats all. I brought the Empire into the matter because I would like to see them against some of the Empire’s best Marvel players. I even included USA because I think outside of the Empire’s team only Team USA can stand toe to toe and even that depends. This is not to suggest anything about teams or the years of SBO or anything else. It is simply about marvel and the top players that I think can take on any one, team, unit, clan, entity or what not in the world (Now) not back then or SBO 4, 3, 2 or 1. What happen in the past stays there. (I did not post this to give you an attitude, I am just giving you my full perspective of what my origional post suggested).
Now would you let a doctor perform an open heart surgery on you if he tells you that he needs 2/3 or maybe 3/5 tries to get it right? 
or go in there saying “God I really hope this doctor is on fire today”
I see more consistency on someone who can perfome at hes best every single match under any situation compare that on someone who needs to be on fire and needs a game or two to warm up.
Hopefully people learn from this SEVERE Jap lesson, and actually start coming up with new way of how to raise the US level, my idea would be to have all the upcoming tourney 1 match single elimination all the way to EVO, and then will see if it actually help in anyway, if it doesnt then will atleast know that is not the reason they are so good. But atleast, people need to start trying something new.
Well nothing to do now but look forward to trying again next year.
LOL,
I think that we’re all bothered b/c we just knew that Japan wasn’t going to handle our boys this time. But…
And thats why there is more debate than usual.
A good player wants to make as few mistakes and possible, and adjust in the quickest time possible, regardless of how the tournament is structured.
If we make all the 3s games one round and make cvs2 R4 only, does that mean that our players will make even LESS mistakes than japan? Of course not, because it was never the deciding factor to begin with.
If players choose to waste their time, they will do it regardless, with their first cvs2 char, with the first round in 3s, with the first 10 seconds of marvel, whatever.
Good players know that the less mistakes they make, and the quicker they adapt, the more they will win, you don’t need a scene wide format change to promote it, just some common sense.
I agree, what happened happened. I’m saying that ‘1/1 breeds better players than 2/3’ is not a SBO lesson. Of course to me saying “your format breeds players that are more flawed and can’t adapt as well” sounds disrespectful as well.
You want to have a real study that isolates the 1/1 format, play in some US tournies to see your current skill level, go to japan for a year, but don’t go to any arcades, don’t talk to or room with any fighting game players, play in 10 or less 1/1 tournies for the year. For 2-3 of the tournaments break your joystick first, then for the rest put the arcade machine on wheels so it moves around all match. After that come back to the US and win evo, then i’ll accept your study.
Just to clarify, if your not running a tourney now, and 1/1 inspires you to do so, by all means go for it. There is nothing wrong with choosing to play 1/1, as long as it’s made for the right reasons (easier on time/equipment, casual observer interest, etc…).
If ppl wanna run a bunch of ADDITIONAL japan style tournaments I would be thrilled, but the ‘mentality’ seems to be to take the people that are actually running events and tell them how they are holding the scene back in every way possible, based on the extensive research of “asking kindevu what he thinks about running a US scene”, and “observing the japan scene for a year to tell us things we knew 5 years ago”.
P.S. If kindevu wants to endorse 1/1, he can send his CvS2 money back for choking up that first round against tokido.
Do you stroke it before you kiss it or the other way around:confused: What you said has nothing to do with anything,The US loves 3s its the most favorite game right now.Japan loves it to (not sure if it their favorite game)We tryed and failed again but we wont Quit or say lets have a World Marvel Tourney that wont make up for 3s Sbo4(Thats what we want).
No Marvel Talk only 3s:confused:
Our problem is the Community of 3s & Arcades its dying.Japan has so many Players/Styles.
HERES THE BIGGER PROBLEM WE LOOK AT JAPAN AND COPY THEIR STYLE SO HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE GONNA WIN TRYIN THEIR SHIT ON THEM:confused:
And/or we have just been OutClassed.
We’ll do better next year:tup:
‘Warning these are not Actual Facts this was just an opinion’
Stop Keepin It Real:lovin:
Alright, so who is playing KOF XI now?
does the K in it stand for kula? =/
O for Oswald too right?
F is for Gato!
wait a min…:wtf:
I wish people would start playing it.
Its funny how KOF has been at SBO for the last 3 years and 0 at EVO. Marvel has been 4 years at EVO and O at SBO. funny, not only they got skill but good taste.
I don’t know about you guys, but this has actually gotten me even more fired up for the future of US 3S. Because Japan’s like “we stepped it up” and now it’s our turn to chase them back again.
QFT :lovin:
too much crying about 1 game vs 2/3, etc, etc. They may be better conditioned due to the format (versus the US players), but throw out all the variables, excuses, whatnot. Decry the dearth of competition in the US, blame the joysticks, etc, etc. The fact remains that they are clearly better at 3s. They have better competition, and they have been playing at a super high level for so long. OCV is a pretty definitive statement… the only game we own is marvel.
For all the excuses made, let’s look at marvel… we would beat japan at marvel in any tourney format, joysticks, country. JWong would kill them blindfolded with one arm behind his back. All that matters is having lots of competition.
Let’s look at the results… Pyro’s team actually did pretty damn good at SBO2, getting within a round of the top four.
This year, all foreign teams OCVed. The fact is, we still have never placed in a huge Japanese tournament.
Conversely, the japs have come to evo and taken our lunch money in 3s every single time. Sure random japs get beaten (usually by other japs), and a couple US players sneak into the top places. But they always take it. No big deal, they play it way more than we do.
same with ST, CVS2, GGXX …
actually his team lost in the first round or round of 32 or whatever its called
Come on, guys. This is a basic rule of any competitive game: More trials (matches, in this case) reduces volatility, and reducing volatility increases skill.
I’m sure you guys promoting 1-match tourneys would also believe that no-limit is the most skillful form of poker, right? After all, that’s the form where one mistake can literally cost you everything, so you need to be very careful.
Well, you would be very, very wrong. Almost every professional player will tell you that pot-limit wins over no-limit hands down; the betting is still large enough so that one wrong move can seriously hurt you, but you can’t be taken out by one lucky outdraw from an opponent. This is very common in no-limit poker and thus increases the amount of luck involved in no-limit.
And yes, there is luck in ANY competitive game. For instance, in baseball (generally speaking), it has been determined that the worst team in the major leagues has a 1/6 chance of beating the best team in a best-of-5 series. I wouldn’t be surprised if SBO had a similar variance level, although it would depend on the game.
What does that mean, regarding this thread? Well, it’s certainly not meant to make excuses for the foreign teams; Dipstick posted some statistics earlier in this thread that illustrate how impressive the beatdowns were. But it IS meant to show that 2/3 matches will give a clearer picture of skill. And as to why Japan uses single-match, I suspect that’s based on metaphysical concepts that have little or no basis in fact (like “clutch ability” in sports). Additionally, there are a lot more tournaments over there than over here; even though they are single-match and single-elim, the sheer number of them, taken together, gives one a good idea of the skill levels. We don’t hold that many in the US, so it would be much tougher to draw conclusions if they were 1 game.
-Josh
Amen.
It’s a shame, it’s a bit of a shock. But thems the breaks. Not like those who lose can’t play the game again 
To me losing can actually be fun in some cases. (in this case, getting the chance to travel to play major tournies would be fun as hell in itself) But losing can be fun in that it can be a major motivator. Gets you psyched to get that much better, that much more prepared to be be able to beat what once beat you.
Anyway, props to the contestants in 3S who made qualifiers, I really envy you guys to be able to take your game to that level. Best of luck next time doods.
dude, fubarduck, you are fucking beasting i love it
let’s just play more 3s guys…next chance…evo…
US - Owned
France bums - Owned and by a Akuma player too haha wicked :D!
Japan are unstoppable !!
I saw some peeps on here making excuses in the thread about oh we can beat Japs we just gotta adapt to em … You’ve had 6 years to try and your still no better
Is the Mago that got 3rd at KOF XI the same Mago who uses C-Honda in cvs2?