They just got lucky!
i said earlier in this thread that the results are typical…
even from japans standpoint…
theres no consistency witht he 1 game format
its whoever is on fire that day…
I disagree, Japan doesn’t care about Marvel because its not what they are good at. If they took the game seriously then it would be a great thing being that the gamers over here in the west will have a fair playing field to compete. No mooks/tech guides, time and equipment issues. However I doubt that is going to happen. USA plays the games that they are proficient at even with the odds against them, however will they play a game that we are completely proficient against them? The Empire will put money on a world team match. Empire vs. Japan 10,000 k and we’ll give them 6 months to a year to get ready. To be honest I don’t even think they would be able to beat Team USA period let alone the Empire’s Marvel team.
Team: Give us 10k
Justin
Santhrax
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Desmond
Ricky
Well, you said it yourself. What matters is who places higher in the tournament. Right? Anyone can adjust to playing the same person over and over. Isn’t beating several people in a 2 out of 3 round match more consistent than beating the same person 5 times in a row?
To be perfectly fair, you’re right. 1 game format and 2/3 format will sometimes yield different results. Sometimes, a player is stronger in the 1 game format than in the 2/3 format, and vice versa. The point that I am trying to show is that while there is no superior format, a 1 game format yields players who make less mistakes and can adjust more quickly.
Do you really think every match in Street Fighter should be 2/3, 3/5, or 4/7? It depends on what quality you think makes a better Street Fighter player. If you think consistency and learning your opponent’s tricks and habits over time with lots of room for trial and error is the best Street Fighter player, then clearly SBO does not mean anything to you. However, this is not how Japan determines the champion. The champion in Japan is determined by flawless play and reading/trying to counter what your opponent will try on you in one match. Coincedentally or not, these traits also tend to yield people who can be champions in a 2/3 or 3/5 format as well, but not always.
When you’re in another man’s country, though, you respect their laws and you play by their rules. You can’t lose the event and then say it was a fluke because it wasn’t 2/3. A “fluke” would have been their controller breaking and nobody noticing until after the match.
No idiot
I hope the red font your name is written in means that you are never allowed to make another post. Out of about 10,000 posts (I think you make one about every thirty seconds) I remember about two of them being moderately intelligent. The rest are you trying to play devil’s advocate so you can be the “totally intelligent SRK guy”. You’re not fooling us, though! 
After you have lived in Japan and studied the gaming scene for a year, you would never make such an ignorant and uninformed comment.
Damn art…just steal my shit why don’t you.
Classic SRK…
Post your opinion…and they call you names. Your right Arturo S.tupid R.etarted K.ids.
You did not post an opinion, you posted a fact. Opinions are typically followed by sentences prefixes such as “I think that . . .”, “It seems to me that . . .” or “I don’t know anything about Japan, but . . .” Your fact was wrong, so I called you an idiot, which was appropriate.
fubarduck: 2
TFGM: 0
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o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: ?The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion? (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.
**fact ** ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
Basically, your reply about what an opinion is, even though you followed your own definition of what a fact is…is still an opinion. I stated that “I” disagreed, that alone shows that I am simply stating my opinion. Moving on from that now…although you have a right to express verbal derogatory comments to whomever you want, it is not appropriate. I did not call you a name and just out of being a respectful person you should not have called me a name. So instead of trying to make up a intelligent excuse to save face and pride, swallow it and apologize. Behave as the age you are not the one that your comment suggest.
Heh…this guy is keeping a track of score as if we are competing.
Fuberduck has been hitting the nail on the head with succesive strikes. I even notice in dutch and belgium tourneys where people HAVE too switch characters, because the one(their MAIN) they developed most has been figured out completely. Not to mention the fact that the same Yun vs the same Yun becomes boring for spectators.
4/7 is currently how the finals are played here and it swallows up about 30 minutes. And after those 30 minutes the real final starts and… you guessed it, that takes another 30 minutes. Take note that neither Belgium or Dutch tourneys are able to meet their schedules.
Now about the 1 game flukes. COULD BE, BUT… there is also a 4 game fluke would happen, or 8 game, or 16 game or whatever. Ofcourse the chance should slim down significantly since both players are falling asleep by then. One of the fellow dutchies however did some behaviour/habits/mixup research on Nuki. For an entire ranking battle Nuki hasn’t used the same sequence more then once. So now lets say that he plays 8 games in the ranking battle and wins em all.
Now for calculation purposes let it be he fights against the same character the entire ranking battle. Even leaving out the differences in players he plays against… What then are the odds of an 8 game fluke?
If you just said you were shouting random things…
I was just posting what I thought if Japan took Marvel seriously and disagreed with someones comment about them and their proficiency. I don’t see what is wrong with that. I shouldn’t have to post that “I’m shouting random things” to give people a heads up. So long as I do not insult anyone or call them any names I’m entitled to my opinion. Do you not agree?
Quit de-railing the thread plz thx.
TFGM knows how to use a dictionary.
You’re completely entitled to your opinion, but the English language is the only common means which we have to communicate here on SRK. If you cannot use it correctly and concisely, you cannot expect anything you ever post to be taken seriously.
you keep mentioning flukes and consistency.
i actually think you have to be MUCH more consistent in the one game format. you cant make mistakes. you have to play extremely, extremely well. you might argue that its about luck then because playing flawlessly is more about luck than anything else. i disagree, if that was true then we wouldn’t consistently see the same players in the later rounds of SBO. i know KO hasn’t won, but why is he always near around there? why is kokujin always around? why is spellmaster J’s team always in the final (aside from last time when he wasnt in there)? why are a number of players more or less consistently present in the later rounds?
the format for SBO is extremely tough. its not about flukes nor about “whos on fire”. you have to be a very consistent player. you have to be an amazing player.
also, its not about being pro-japan or pro-american. we just aren’t as good.
uh…speaking of nuki, nuki and daigo consistently peaced out team after team in last year’s 1 game tournament style SBO. nuki’s team peaced out a lot of teams this year and made it to the semifinals, again in a 1 game tournament style. (i dont know how he did the two years before).
but either way, yeah, youre saying thats not consistancy[sic]? :looney:
Yes the English language is the only common means which we have to communicate here on SRK; please state the obvious it gives you credibility to your post. I like how you are trying to suggest that I cannot use it corretly and concisely. Then I like how you also suggest that none of my post are ever taken seriously as if I made my post looking for you or anyone else approval. My post is just that…my post. It is my opinion and is left in the open for anyone to disagree or agree with. Returning me back to the very same reason why we are even at this point of this sub topic. Insulting me because of my opinion is not appropriate, and it is obvious that you are not going to apologize so it makes no sense chasing the matter, because then it will come off as if I am the one who derailed the thread although my opinion was based on the thread and not a personal verbal attack.
Perhaps the uneducated minds of SRK can be minipulated with your verbal attacks on other users for their opinions but it will not work on me. You may have the last word now, you need it to support your ego and image here on SRK or your fans will be dissapointed.
I’m done with the matter.
i don’t know why this gets on my nerves: SBO 3S is not a “one game tournament.” you can’t think about it in terms of individuals. this year’s tournament was 3/5 games, to see which TEAM was the best… unless you’re bitching about japanese tournaments in general.
fubarduck won the thread when he said “It depends on what quality you think makes a better Street Fighter player.” we have a different set of values than the japanese, and it’s worthless to argue over which value-set is “better.” or maybe it’s not, i dunno…
i forgot if i was trying to make any point…
values? what do you mean? we try to win each and every round right?
i’m just going to steal from fubarduck again because i can’t say it better myself:
american SF values: “consistency and learning your opponent’s tricks and habits over time with lots of room for trial and error”
japanese: “flawless play and reading/trying to counter what your opponent will try on you in one match”
granted, i think that american tournaments still incorporate “reading/trying to counter”, but it’s not as hard when you have more time to read and get a feel for the opponent.
NINJA-EDIT(because im posting way too much)TFGM-- sorry i wasn’t really addressing you.
i was mainly poking at the mess of posts between calipower (and company) vs fubarduck (and company). this thread IS about SBO.:wgrin: