For all the haters that have ZERO experience in even placing top 10 let alone an international invitational tourney-
1 game single elimination = all it takes is ONE guy to be on fire from the team and GG peace out.
For example…(but this was 2/3 so u can see the difference of how it feels to be ggpo on 1 game) amir/me/john d vs sextaro/shadini/pyro…during an interface team tourney…
sextaro ocv’s us the first meeting in winners finals…(1 game)
in grand finals amir ocvs pyros team twice…(2/3)
ask yourself…if team wc,ec had another chance to play the same team they lost to…would it have the same outcome??
Unfortunately, that kind of mentality is part of what makes American players so weak in general. You already have two chances to win in a single match; that’s why it’s two out of three rounds. American tournaments build up this idea that you have an entire match to get warmed up before you start playing “seriously” or whatever. Japanese players are warmed up in the first ten seconds.
It doesn’t matter if the next match would have had the same outcome–if we couldn’t win it, it means we were not prepared for their tournament format, which is what determines the victor. And for the record, I think the second match in a 2/3 set yields the same outcome at least 70% of the time.
You can’t just abolish the 2/3 format in the US because people have to travel so far to play and everybody wants to feel like it was worth the trip, but it is definitely a factor in why so many Americans cannot incorporate a solid tournament mentality.
I **WAS **starting to play 3S cause I felt confident that me living close to FFA would help me chatch up with the rest of the US and Jap quickly :looney:, after this news I think I better stick to my roots.
Now MAGO in the KOF XI Finals? WTF we owned his ass hard last year at EVO, 10/12 of our members took his money. Well maybe he really practice hard or something, I hope to see him this year at EVO.
I see peole complaining that the US teams would have done better if it was 2/3 instead of one match, I say its bull shit, IMO thats one on the qualities that make the Japs so good, they play with everything they got every match cause that match might be their last one. Here we take it easy *“Ho its only the firts match I’ll get him on the next one no worries”*then “Shit I’ll just comeback from loosers”, I truly believe that if the US starts to use the one match single elimination system, in their Tourneys, even the big ones (EVO, TS, MW) it will **FORCE ** players to raise their skill level, I can almost guarantee it.
Dayum, I just realized KOFXI had no mention of Frionel…did he get peaced out early? I figured what with his 100% Duolon / K’ combo he’d get pretty far…
Hey Im not hatin on my boys but I know its hard as fuck to Win in a International Tourney.
Just wanted better Results this Year cause I waited So long for this, they will bounce back the 3s Scene is still big so we will have more crazier teams to come for SBO5:tup:
Kindebu himself has said that 2/3 format allows players to make mistakes. In single elimination, one game format, one mistake and you’re out of the tournament. I really don’t believe “flukes” apply to fighting games. Forcing a mistake is not a fluke at all. A fluke would be something like one of your opponent’s buttons suddenly going out in the middle of the match.
Unfortunately, Fubar is right: the double elim. format, 2/3 games needs to go, as it does hurt the American scene… but it cannot ever be abolished because it would not make tournaments worthwhile here in America.
1 game doesn’t really say a lot… seriously if you wanted to really see who the best is, we would play first to 100000000000001. but that would take forever, therefore it’s better to have at least a reasonable amount of games to determine who should advance. if time weren’t an issue it would be great to have every set 3/5, the more games played the less error there is in terms of skill.
having 1 game is just more exciting but not as big of a determination of skill. that’s what we want in america, not this 1 game entertainment crap. the march madness tournament is more exciting to watch than the nba playoffs, but can you really tell me that george mason is better than uconn? for that one game, YES, but if they played 3/5 the results would be completely different.
i do agree that it’s part of the tournament format of SBO of 1 match and losses are part of the tournament. but that doesn’t mean that their tournament format is better.
as for the other shit in this thread…
fuck this shit about people slacking off and giving up a free match. i hate losing at any level and i assume every real competitor hates that too unless they’re trying to sandbag and gain a psychological advantage.
and what the hell is all this shit about “ohhh japan is so much better let’s just give up the us fucking sucks we’re never gonna get as good as them.” fuck that. that’s why you guys aren’t in SBO and are complaining behind a computer screen.
The same principles that US players learn by 2/3, japan players have by entering another tournament.
The ONLY mentality difference between japan and us that’s worth talking about is that in a japan persons mind, a fighting game is basically the same as going to the corner store, and in the US’s persons mind, it’s a ton of work to even find enough people to support a real scene. Everything else is a distraction, and an attempt to provide a quick fix to the real problems in the US scene instead of actually trying to solve them.
Build a solid tournament scene, give solid tournament prizes, and you’ll see a solid tournament mentality. Or you can chase the japanese carrot forever too, your choice.
I can’t go for that Single elimination argument. This still doesn’t explain OVCs
Since its 3v3, if a guy loses the first match between two teams, there are still two members in that team who will play. If one dude beats all three guys in a team, I think that says something more about skill level than luck/randomness.
if it’s single game, they should make it 3/5 rounds, though that will never happen. sometimes people are playing their best off the bat, but you need time to adapt and see patterns to take advantage of the latter rounds. it’s highly possible to make 3 round comebacks and adds a lot of drama to the match.
I.E. player 1 goes up 2 rounds to 0, player 2 fights hard for number 3, manages to adapt and do well in number 4, and the critical round 5 last match, can player 1 hold it down and not choke? or will player 2 be riding off the momentum of the last two rounds and make a comeback?
DRAMA
overall single game is still stupid, I worked my way through a single game, gamestop soul calibur 2 tournament (clearly being the best one there) i was playing Xianghua my first time and copying vids and using basic fighting game tactics. i lost in the final to a 8 year old mexican kid mashing kid, if i had one more game, i coulda switched characters to nightmare and won.
Regardless of the way they do things, were are sending are best players, to the land of the best compitition…and year after year we are getting taken out in the first round.
cause I felt confident that me living close to FFA would help me chatch up with the rest of the US and Jap quickly :looney:, after this news I think I better stick to my roots.
WTF we owned his ass hard last year at EVO, 10/12 of our members took his money. Well maybe he really practice hard or something, I hope to see him this year at EVO.