its probably due to the fact that it’s EXTREMELY masher friendly. Moreso than Soul Calibur.
I’ve heard that too, although not as much as the other claims. I would actually say that Soul Calibur is more button masher friendly though. Especially when considering Maxi, Xainauia (sp) and Kilik.
But mostly I say the button masher claim isn’t that great because every 3D fighter can be won by button mashing, even Tekken. Learn the move to knock someone in the air and once you have them in the air, mash forward punch correctly and you win. Same can be said for Jannie in DOA. Except anyone good in DOA can counter Jann Lee. Cuz of you know…the counter system. The main reason you can’t say DOA is easier to button mash in is because it has that counter system.
But whatever…I know many people don’t like DOA, especially who play tournaments. But I know a lot of other people do like it. -_-
what do you mean by back it up?
you want me to explain it? terrible 3d movement system, poor risk/reward situations stemming from counters out of stun, and dominance of extremely simple strategies like jab-throws, because 99% of throws are unbreakable and you can’t sidestep it either. and frame advantage is nearly nonexistant (it’s either punishable or not), making it a really random game and also making it more “masher-friendly.”
oh, it was in the arcade. just that no one played it.
“every 3D fighter can be won button mashing?” are you kidding me? that doesn’t explain why you lost to Tekken God at Tekken because your button mashing should’ve won more than that. and if you can counter random 10frame high/mid/low in DOA then you must have godly reflexes.
you know why tournament players don’t like it? because the people that do like it don’t trust it enough to be a “tournament-caliber” game and therefore don’t go to support their game when it actually does show up at tournaments.
uhhhh…Good games last night at afams. kainzero is right DOA sucks, because they dont have boobz. And you dont get frame advantage in that game.
lololol every 3d fighter can be won button mashing? thats the most stupidist thing ive ever heard… And i don’t have to back that up…FRAME ADVANTAGE!!
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what do you mean by back it up?
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When I said back it up I meant play it and show me. Cuz you know…anyone can claim anything online. That’s the good thing aout playing with people cuz I can claim no one can touch my Fei Long in SSFII, but then I’d have to actually show them and then I’d be wrong. -_-;
I don’t have the ability to counter everything, but there are some people who play DOA who DO have those reflexes and can read every move. Which is why I find it highly unlikely you just got to the ‘top of online in a week’. And also, counters, except in DOA4 now, do more damage than most normal attacks so while I may miss one or two of your attacks, countering the third makes up for it.
And I didn’t win against Tekken God cuz that was my second time ever playing Tekken and I never learned how to hit someone in the air. He was going crazy on me like he does when he plays anyone else. I didn’t care cuz I’d never played it and I was learning some stuff. But if you’re gonna go crazy on me cuz I didn’t beat him with cheapness then I’ll mention what I DID observe. On my last game I learned how to kick his character in the air and proceeded to take 9/10 of his life away before he hit me in the air and won. And he won every round by hitting me in the air and using the same 5 hit punch combo juggling. Claim what you want, but that’s how I’ve always seen Tekken played and I proved you could do it. That game has a long juggle and I proved that a viable strategy is just backing up and waiting till your opponent misses, then knocking them in the air and taking 1/2-3/4 their life while they can’t move. I was told the only strategy against this is ‘don’t get juggled’. Good advice, but it does prove that you can button mash, provided you learn the move to knock them in the air. Probably not to you, but definitely to me.
And since I have done the same thing in SC2 and DOA, there you go. But you may be right that you can’t do it in all of them, cuz I wasn’t able to do it in Virtual Fighter and I haven’t played the 3D KOF or SF games. So maybe it doesn’t work in ALL of them. But it does in Tekken and SC.
do you play SFII vs the computer? How long?
…that was an example. Of course people can beat my Fei Long. Tekken God did.
And yes, I don’t get to play people much, except in DOA and Smash Bros. So what I’ve played of SSFII was the computer.
GG’s to everyone … actually I only played Gene the whole night.
Anyway it was cool to meet TekkenGod. Its always fun to meet someone new from the forums. To bad we didnt get any 3S in. I dont know any other game except that. =[
Anyway look forward to future meets.
The correct spelling is Xianghua.
I don’t think anybody needs to take anyone else’s comments personally. DoA is fun, but countering in the middle of a combo you didn’t block is just dumb. However, the fact remains that countering is one deterrent to mashing.
I agree that there is sometimes mashing involved in every 3d game, but mashing shouldn’t surface as a problem if both players are honestly trying to improve. I’m not professing to be an expert at Soul Calibur (or any 3d game, for that matter), but I play the game a fair amount, and I’ve had people accidentally escape my throws–likewise I’ve escaped a few throws on accident because I was trying to do some combo at the wrong time… In other words, this is one feature that could be considered “masher-friendly.” That’s just one thing, and although I have other problems with Soul Calibur, mainly balance issues, I still have fun with the game. Just like DoA, and just like Tekken.
In my opinion, the concept of frame advantages is just another thing that stratifies characters and has only ever been arbitrarily executed, though it does make for some interesting combos and mixups. I used to hate cvs2, but after being forced to play it due to a lack of third strike competition I’ve found it’s not all that bad.
As much as I’d like to think 2d games are in general superior to 3d games, the third strike finals for evo turned into Chun-Li-Fest 2005. Tekken turned into Steve-Fest 2005.
My grand point is that although some will obviously have a worse opinion of a game than others, giving these games a chance in a group situation might end up being more fun than you realize; I know it happened for me. If not, oh well. All I’m trying to do is offer a suggestion so that people don’t get bored playing the same games, and trying to keep the hostility to a minimum.
Tenchi has gotten better. Ibuki is sooo annoying…It seems like i can never beat ibuki. GGs Mr.Mage.
No meet this thursday at my house. Im sick, again.
What the hell? I didnt get better , YOU did.
I speculate that what your secretly doing is trying to make a suttle image for yourself. Because everyone knows your good at CVS2 so they will never think you would practice 3S. When in all actuallity your practicing when nobodys paying attention and you attend the 3S meets so you can watch peoples play styles and learn to beat them without ever lifting a finger.
Your sneaky but Im on to you. :arazz:
Realistically. Your randomness has gotten better. I used to be able to read you like a Dr. Suess book. Now your making me play you seriously. Thats great man. I hope you can get to the point where you beat me without thinking.
Personally, I think Ibuki will be my flagship. Shes so fun. 
Yeah. I never liked Tekken before, but trying it last night, I can see it would be fun. I’d probably play it a lot, except the friends I have who play Tekken are in Texas…and the friends I have who play DOA are in San Diego. But funny thing is, half the people who play DOA hated it just cuz they saw it and didn’t like it, but after I got them (forced) to try it, they got into it. That’s why I was suggesting it earlier, cuz I mean everyone looks at a game from time to time and goes ‘oh that things crap’. But actually playing it and understanding it can bring the exact opposite effect.
Like it did with me and Tekken (and DOA actually when I was actually forced to sit down and try DOA2).
hahahahaha, im a dr.suess book. nice.
And, yes you got better. I just remember watching umehara play and just stole tricks from him =p. I’m not hiding any secrets lol. I really dont care about 3s and can care less if i lost all my skill. I never do practice 3s, honest truth. But yes, I hold meets. But i haven’t yet to learn anything…YET. My randomness, i never have thought i would be like this, but it actually works at times. Your Ibuki is hella stressful to play, she actually got me trying pretty hard. I have to pretty much try concentrate hella hard to beat you, but that’s good for the brain. Hope to play you again soon!
ps: i was pretty sad when you parried my ken SA2 =(…
did yall see the new tilt their gonna open at horton plaza? its pretty big
aww. where’s the 3s action happening this week?
I donno, just go to nickel? Im sorry. It’s not my fault i got sick =( Its my sisters.
Go to nickel, we can apex results there…lol.
Just this week probably. Sorry again.
They can fit an arcade in Horton? Geez they must have had to pay good money to get all that space.
That would mean I’d have to actually play the game again. I think I’ll pass. I did what I did to prove other friends wrong and it’s not worth it to me to relearn how to block strings just to prove some internet guy wrong.
I would play DOA4 seriously if the scene got bigger, which is what some guys in LA are doing, but for sure DOAU was garbage due to the reasons I listed previously.
If you can find me a player who can counter every single move from standstill, I will quit fighting games.
You do know that if you miss a counter and I do a launcher that I get extra counter damage on my juggle, right? Right. And if I get you on a slope with my Ayane, for her semi-infinite juggle, gg.
If you can force every character to whiff and then juggle them for free, great. people spend weeks, months, years learning to do that extremely well.
Virtua Fighter 4 has a training mode that teaches you juggles.
Now I’m going to be frank with you.
From what I’ve seen of your gameplay, you have minimal understanding of fighting games. You need to improve it. Watch match videos, practice combos and so on. Your Ken combo should not be J.HK - C.HK. If Tekken God beat your Fei Long, keep in mind that I’ve seen him play HSF2 maybe once or twice. At this point in time you shouldn’t be seeking competition but learning how the game is played at a decent level.
If you played “300-500” hours of CvS2, even against the CPU, I’d expect you to know more, maybe even heard of “Roll Cancelling” or how to combo in your supers at least, but seriously, connecting a Lvl 1 super has nothing to do with “Frame Advantage.” Since you play SSBM, I’m assuming you know how to Wavedash and Shield Grab and SHFFL and Chain Grab, and simple combos like Marth’s throw into F+Smash, so you should definitely learn the terminology and systems of the other fighting games you’re planning to play before you go out and play others.
Damn, I want to play 3S this week =X Again, I’m only free on Thursday night since I got a MT Thursday afternoon and I gotta study for it.
Kevin - i watched the ranking battle on your blog. I actually want to enter in a ranbat now. nice. Anyone going to FFA soon?
Kainzero - It was a lvl 3 super, not lvl 1. hahah j.hk,c.hk. that combo was so old school. whats roll cancelling?
If you guys want to play on thursday, my apt is open.
Call me or post if you are interested. I would like to learn/play more 3s so RagnarokMage if you can make it that would be good.