Samurai Shodown Anthology

Shishioh · January 6, 2010, 7:09am

Why play now?

Black_Shroud · January 6, 2010, 5:37pm

SSAZ is tournament worthy since japanese make SSAZ tourneys even now, in fact all the videos on sirorim youtube channel are from the tourneys.
New screens from SS64:

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/userfiles/210386-0005.png

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/userfiles/210385-0002.png

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/userfiles/210384-0001.png

Shishioh · January 7, 2010, 6:53am

Any clue on when this build of Mame will be out?

Black_Shroud · January 7, 2010, 2:40pm

They usually release new builds once in a week, previous build was Dec 31, 2009

Shishioh · January 7, 2010, 3:45pm

They said AZ plays faster than it’s supposed to. I wonder if adding the sound could slow it down a bit or adding the extra missing things from it could do the trick.

I hope it just comes out playable as most 3d Mame games play like shit no matter how beast your pc is or how much your overclock Mame’s engine.

Black_Shroud · January 7, 2010, 8:18pm

HNG64 Fatal Fury played ok at my PC, aside of being without sound and having blinking models. In a way SSAZ working faster is good, because it will fasten the gameplay that some people regard as slower than usual fighting; on other side it will need more precize special move inputs

m216xlegendx · January 7, 2010, 10:17pm

There is a tenka tournaments in afew monthes. Here is the subject http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=214754

Right now we have 3 poeple who are comming ( me ,puera,and darkgeese). If we can get 8 poeple total me and puera will make the 7 hour drive to play. Is anyone interested? All 3 of us are great players so it should be a great tournament. PLEASE if you plan on going post on the tournament thread. As soon as me and puera know 8 people will jion we will go to this tournament. So if you are a samsho fan and you want a scene this is the time to make one. I play ss3-ss6 so i am down to play any samsho while im there.

latr mike

gambit_808 · January 9, 2010, 12:50am

hey u guys…sorry for the noob ss question…but is ss anthology ps3 backward compatible? ive got the 4usb port 60 gig that works with most ps2 games…anyone know? im having a hard time getting any straight answers, so i think posting here is my best bet.

Black_Shroud · January 9, 2010, 1:25am

From my own experience, PS2 version is PC backwards compatible via PCSX2; which is the way I play it

The_Burnin8or · January 9, 2010, 1:48am

I have a 60GB PS3. SS Anthology works just fine on it.

Shishioh · January 17, 2010, 10:11am

The source code is out but not a build…hopefully someone gets to it quickly…like yesterday quickly.

Black_Shroud · January 17, 2010, 2:16pm

They compiled it (http://www.mamechannel.it/pages/mamedownload.php)I played SSAZ yesterday already, and its pretty fun even though ground and some special effect graphics are yet untextured. I couldnt beat Yuga though, she is the true SNK boss lol.
I look forward to playing it on kaillera once we get a build with kaillera.

This is video of it running on PC, by one of users
[media=youtube]sBs5EybBpcY[/media]

For the list of issues and developer comments, read page 2 and page 3 posts here:
http://spirits.kaillera.ru/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=10812&start=10

fiol · January 17, 2010, 4:21pm

guys, i use Cham Cham but i cant defeat the final boss (the one in Hell). I play on level 1 as difficulty but…damn he’s hard… some strategies?

Shishioh · January 17, 2010, 8:00pm

I can’t use that one. I have to wait for the GUI version…

Black_Shroud · January 17, 2010, 9:16pm

@ fiol:
Dont jump when Demon Gaoh is raged, since you will eat his super everytime. I would recommend to use IV spirit and combo him each time he is open, then using your super on him.

@ Shishioh
You will have to wait for awhile then, since MAME devs use new compiler starting from this release, and it seems MAME UI team needs additional time to accommodate to that.

Btw, Enja.Kazuki has “one inch punch” attack, a 60% (75% if raged) unblockable, but has slow startup/short range. Well at least it tracks sidestepping opponent so its not too bad.
Another Bruce Lee wannabe, lol

Shishioh · January 17, 2010, 9:24pm

Yeah…that one inch punch was how I used to get far into the game with him as a kid LOL! And it makes a distinct warning sound that I’ll never forget, sounds like a teapot going off LOL!!

Lantis · January 17, 2010, 10:09pm

I’m making a Samurai Shodown II tournament on GGPO, so in case you want to participate or pass on the voice, here’s the link:

http://lantishaven.webs.com

fiol · January 17, 2010, 11:00pm

i have the japanese release of the anthology… which is the IV spirit? ^^
i dont know any combo with Cham Cham, and i cant find anything on youtube

Shishioh · January 17, 2010, 11:08pm

It’s green and between a orange one and a blue one. Hope that clears it up.

Black_Shroud · January 17, 2010, 11:13pm

Since I tend to copy useful stuff on games especially those where I havent finished the guides yet, here’s what I have on SS6 Cham Cham

puera43:

Cham Cham - I hate to do it, but I gotta disagree with you on her WFT being good. It is not good anti-air, well damage speaking anyways. If the opponent is airborne, she will (most of the time) make them drop their weapon, but the damage from the 1-3 hits it does in the air isn’t even noticeable. so that makes it definitely better used in combo on the ground…and she can do it from close jab (cancel after 1st hit only (close jab is 3 hits)) and close mid. thats it. if she does it from MMS combo then she has the same problem again with airborne opponents (no damage). Her most damaging combo in IV spirit is just the plain old 8 hit.
at the same time she gets raged the third fastest in the game (tied with Gaira, Wan-Fu, and Kazuki). With a crappy WFT, whats the point of getting raged? Her secondary super is a slightly powered up version of her anti-air QCB+slash move… She has no reliable way to use issen except as counter and she’ll be getting raged all the time against skilled opponents, hard to meditate! I think she’s good in I spirit because of her rage tendencies and her hyperslash is decent, but I was wondering what other people thought.
Maybe II spirit - use WFT as anti-air to destroy weapons? get ok 2nd super and the other perks.
I mean yeah she’s probably fine in those but I’d like some reason to be able to use her in IV, V, or VI spirit but I’m just coming up empty. I used her when I first got the game, but have put her away for awhile. Im about to put her down for good and focus on my mains unless theres a way she can be used well in IV, V, or VI spirits.
I think I-III spirits are good in situations, but you should have options with the generally “better” spirits, and if I was stuck with a single spirit for a certain character, it shouldn’t be I or II.

zankurous:

Cham Cham: Ouch, you definitely nailed most of her weaknesses right on the head, but here is my take on her moves, as well as an opinion on a recommended spirit choice.

First and foremost, she is an agile character, that along with her run and QCF + S can allow her to control her space (either by staying on the offensive or defensive) quite effectively.

She has plenty of moves on her disposal, but the following ones deserve special mention:

Crouching HS, while somewhat lacking on horizontal range & priority, is cancellable & has lots of stun potential which means that pretty much all of her specials, WFT & super move (with the exception of RDP + HS as well as QCF + LS, S follow up on small sized opponents, which is a pity since this is her most damaging option against medium and tall sized characters!) will combo from it either in the corner or in the open for big damage. (In the latter case however, the Paku paku options are not likely to connect though).

Her QCF + S in particular is an intriguing move due to the properties it has, by itself it is a long jump (the range is determined by the strength of the slash button used) that has no recovery time if no follow up is selected. By pressing any Slash button in front of an opponents face, Cham cham does a damaging unblockable throw (on a midair opponent, she simply rebounds off him/her with a 2-hit attack for minimal damage) & by pressing K she does a foot sweep (hits low, obviously) that goes into her old SS II throw for big damage. This move has plenty of potential for mindgames as well as for easily getting close or away opponents!

I find her WFT quite useful since it is a fast move with good range, this alone makes it great for punishing mistakes at close & medium range, it also makes a great follow up after a successful parry (QCF + S). Its usage in combos is limited though aside from combos that start with standing close LS (1-hit), standing close MS (very effective after a jumping K cross-up) & crouching HS (her strongest option), it also does some decent chipping damage to boot!. Its disadvantages would be its long recovery lag if blocked, it also makes pitiful damage if used as an antiair (this is not so bad in II spirit since the main focus here is breaking weapons.)

However to rely on this super for these purposes, it is recommended to select a spirit that enables you to have this move available while staying on the attack, so III, IV & VI are candidates for this, yet Cham Cham simply does not get much out of IV combos aside from filling bar quickly with the 8-hit combo and adding pressure to an opponent. She does fare better in VI since her specials can fill that bar quickly enough and she does not need to use it right away. On the other hand, in III spirit she will need to keep her distance to charge that bar, and she already has plenty of options for doing so.

I & II are indeed useful to capitalize on her rage tendencies to use her hyper slash (nice range & power) or her WBT in II aside from her increase in strength. (she does get some great mobility options in II so make use of them!). I dont see any particular advantages for her in V so it is safe to assume this mode is simply not meant for her.

puera43:

Yes! cham cham’s crouching HS does combo into WFT and specials (has to be CLOSE crouching HS). It looks so similar to her standing close hard slash, i must’ve overlooked that in practice. best stun time for comboable slashes for sure, which I thought she really needed! Even comboing close crouching HS into her DP+LS, S takes pretty much the same (good) damage as comboing into WFT (you said QCF+S, S in your post but I know what you meant

I take back my comment about her WFT being bad, and now agree with you.
I definitely think she would be good in VI spirit, even more so considering that her WFT does come out very quickly and could be used for punishment/after parry (i tend to focus on combo ability of WFT because of poor recovery times on whiff).
I’m tossing IV spirit out the window for her.
II+III spirit have potential, maybe more on those later.
As far as V is concerned, it definitely needs to be reconsidered. the extra damage is real tempting esp. with the cr. HS cancel into DP+LS, S and she also has an EXTREMELY damaging issen setup, how it would hit consistently tho is another matter. Let me tell you about it real quick b/c m216 showed me this property (of a few characters) in a japanese combo video.
If you connect with an issen while in the neverland state and at the same time connect with certain projectiles (especially multi-hitting projectiles), it takes A LOT more damage.

try this - go into practice.
-pick cham cham V spirit.
-set the data display on. set her mikiri/kyouti gauge and life to 50%.
-set dummy to vertical jump.
-enter neverland state
-do RDP+Strong slash
-immediately follow with issen
if done right, the animation of the issen should NOT hit the opponent but the hit will register and take approximately…100% LIFE!!!
now, after taking what you said into account this can also be done against a standing non-blocking opponent.
-neverland --> crouching close HS --> RDP+strong slash --> issen…also ~100%
my only two problems with this is that she has no overhead move that doesn’t knock down (bad for issen setups if opponent is ready/your timing is bad on entering state of nothingness) and again she gets raged too quickly. getting raged too quickly shouldn’t be a problem IF she can keep her opponent at bay (easier or harder depending on opp.)
there are a few characters with this property and they are all real tempting in V spirit because of it.

SS II is the only one i never played before getting the anthology so I’m not as familiar with some of the exclusive characters of that game. Your advice definitely helped man, thanks again.