Sakura Strategy and Match-up Thread (2.0)

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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After a blocked f+mk, do CH st.lk > cr.mk xx shou or st.lk xx ex tatsu. It should beat all his options besides block, dp and walk back. But don’t abuse this since Ken can walk back after f+mk and do sweep or just DP your st.lk.

The usual shoto setup of forward throw, 1 step back, j.hp to make DP Whiff.

His overhead is apparently -4 on block so st.lp/cl.hp/cr.hp/st.lk that shit up.

There’s something about HP shou then 1-2 steps forward then j.mk beating his DP.

Watch out for patterns on what he does after ex tatsu, (throw, DP, cr.lk pressure etc.)

His fireball has bad recovery compared to Ryu’s, ex otoshi it.

Again for Ken, I’m not sure what normals beats what normals. St.lk/cr.mk his cr.mk’s whiff.

That’s all the info I can think off top of my head without being on Xbox >.<

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The last few weeks I’ve decided that Ken just comes down to one thing for me, get hit with kara throws and lose, or nail my techs and win. And also not trying to punish whiffed dps of theirs, since he’s fucking gutter trash and can fire off another dp faster than you can start a jab string.

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ex tatsu overhead or regular what do you use to punish if far you can sweep cr hp or U1. what about close?

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Nah his f+hk overhead.

If we’re talking his Ex tatsu flying over you, then try mp shou or walk up sweep to punish him I guess.

If he whiffs it in front of you, sweep/mp sho/cr.mk xx sho should do the job.

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Why not just throw a fireball instead? He’s got incredible recovery after performing his EX. Would be risky to approach a ken like that.
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fireball doesn’t punish shit. they were talking about punishes, not “throw out a move and hope it hits.” punishes are never risky.

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If by close you mean if he does ex tatsu and you block, well I think air ex tatsu from ken is safe on block. If you’re talking about it whiffing, then all the same punishes should apply. I asked this in another thread yesterday or something, but I’ll ask it again. You in Michigan, Hornett?

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Are you sure?
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If you’re able to punish something with a fireball, then you can punish it with cr.mk xx shou/cl.hp xx loop/ etc.

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EX shoueken blows up certain option selects on wakeup, because it starts up in 12 frames

For example, Akuma demon flip palm OS sweep or demon. Normally against 4-5 frame reversals Akuma will be able to block,
but against Sakura his palm will whiff and he will input a sweep or a demon and it will come out getting stuffed by EX shoueken due to the late startup.

The Akuma player can solve this by OSing with SRK. Which is better for Sakura cause it won’t give a hard knockdown.

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Cincinnati Ohio

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Thx guys… We should really start adding more to our match up threads. Also I’ll add I usually try to focus obvious f. mk and the hadouken after the c.mk…

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Wow, never thought of it like that. Guess the shitty startup comes in use sometimes

OS U2 would beat it though? Or just palm and no OS. What about OS teleport? Would Sakura’s ex dp catch that, although Akuma can U2 in middle of the teleport to punish Sakura’s ex sho

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U2 will beat it, more invince frames. Palm no OS will beat it, free backdashes though. OS teleport will get beat unless cancelled into U2.

Needless to say, only try this gambit with 3 bars. Or very rarely with 1 bar if you have the cojones

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Gotcha. Was gonna say i never see you around here. Thought you mightve been in michigan cause you’re tfa though.

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What i meant is fireballs have slow startup, and don’t punish much, and for things that are punisheable by a fireball, that woukd be just about the weakest punish you could do.

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You can easily FADC a fireball into a punish. Works great!
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You can easily FADC a fireball into a punish (like mentioned in last post). However, it’s still a bad idea to attempt to punish a Ken who whiffs an EX Tatsu. They ALWAYS follow up with a dragon punch or an Ultra, or even something completely unexpected.
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just saying really unintelligent things. We’re talking about PUNISHING. Ken can’t dp while he’s in recovery buddy. Sure, you can fadc a fireball. Or you could not spend those two bars and start a bnb from a move with less than a million start up frames (so you know, your punish is more likely to actually be a punish, and you’ll do more damage and spend less meter.) I don’t mean to be a dick but make sure you know what you’re talking about before advising others how to play.

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Deeb… Do you…uhh… actually play the game?
This isn’t the UMVC3 thread.

Just saying.