i cant decipher what you’re trying to say. please use periods next time.
^^never!
So, as antiair, fierce Tiger Uppercut is always the best option? Also I wonder, what moves can stuff the Uppercut, like t.Hawks jp.jab or chun’s jp.short? I guess you gotta be satisfied if you get a trade in those situations, but is there a way to beat them clean?
I’m a bit confused about the timing of the uppercut, very late Uppercuts work well sometimes. On the other hand, I often only get a trade from moves like ryu’s jp.fierce or Guile’s jp.forward 
If you’re looking for the most damage, yes. I don’t think there is a priority difference.
You can beat those clean but you need super timing to do it. A perfectly timed TU on a jump in will look like it’s picking to opponent off of the ground to hit them. In those situations it won’t trade. However when it does trade it will be in your favor so no worries.
What you need to do there is TU even later. And you must also TU from a crouch without having to stand. It’s tough, but practice makes perfect.
Oh I see. Yeah that was also my feeling, doing it like the last possible moment. I guess when i have “too much time” Fierce, Strong and Roundhouse are also good antiair options, but of course I also want to perfect that TU :wgrin:
Ok guys, this is a SUPER TURBO forum, not a broken ass AE-the-game-no-one-should-be-playing-now-that-CCC2-is-out forum
N.Sagat
O.Sagat
only two chars that exist in this game. Thx.
Assuming we’re talking about O. Sagat, yes. N. Sagat’s fierce uppercut is crappy, use jab for him.
Does anybody actually use N Sagat?
Not often, just wanted to make things clear for people who weren’t as familiar with the game.
Ok, so assuming there is a critical breakdown in o.Sagat’s game plan and the opponent does manage to get in and start applying pressure, what are Sagat’s options aside from TU?
Right now, the one thing I have for certain is the sacrifice hp throw to the other side of the screen to reset the tiger shot games. That’s just too poor of an option though as a wrong guess = dead…
Which normals of his are best to use in this situation?
Ya… people do. Still not as good as O. Sagat. Here are a couple of things that ppl sometimes forget about N.Sagat…
He’s not all bad…
His LOW Tiger Shots have to be blocked LOW just like O.Sagat.
You can reduce the recovery of his RH Low Tiger shot by -4 frames if you kara cancel from a jab. It give his low RH tiger shot a 45 frame recovery compared to 49. This helps him a lot.
O.sagats low tiger has a 37 frame recovery, Compared to the 45, it is still faster, but 45 is not that bad at all, considering you have to block it low.
SO anyway, I jst post this b/c N.Sagat is not total crap. His low fire ball game is not bad. He is still not a beast like O.Sagat (high damage, fast recovery, big combos, BEEFY TU) but still very usable. :pleased:
Yea, he’s still a good character. And I shouldn’t have said his fierce uppercut sucks, it doesn’t, it’s just that it’s more situation specific and less universal than O Sagat’s fierce uppercut.
Agreed.
IIRC from YBH the damage % on the move is.
12+8+3+3+3 = 29% life bar damage
If you can get it deep of an AA you get 29% Damage, that is 1 point less than a Feirce SPD. Not bad…
You can also combo it off of the Close St.strong (hit crouching characters) off of a jump in ( in in close) or a cross up.
JUmp Round house (15 damage) + St. Strong (14 damage)+ Freice TU (29 damage)=58% damage… ouch…
FYI: (95% sure)
The Jab is 21 damage.
The Strong is 24 damage.
If you don’t want to risk them falling out of the Fierce TU.
IM(humble)O: It is best to do the the Strong TU for an AA. If your timing is a little off, you still trade to a huge advantage compared to the Fierce.
If you wawnt to get better positioning after the TU, then do the Jab version. You recover faster and have a faction of a second to move iinto a slightly better position on the board/screen if you want it.
cr. short, st.short (GODLY poke), cr. mk, to low tiger shots is your best bet (all three of them). The pushback after low TS is REALLY far, and combined with st.short (a REALLY LONG, FAST, hard to punish and CANCELLABLE poke to TS), O.Sagat midrange, imo is GODLY.
Crouching strong isn’t bad. Standing short is really good and crouching fierce is really fast.
O. Sagats low tiger shots must also be blocked low. That characteristic of Sagats low tiger shot was introduced in Super Street Fighter 2.
Really? Maybe I am just confusing it with CE (been playing a lot of AE lately). I’ll double check tonight, and edit where appropiate. Thanks! :tup:
OK. The score is: Shin akuma 2, fatboy 0. (shakes fist in air… I’ll get you one day!)
I don’t know how I over looked that. You are correct (AGAIN 
) I swear I checked it, but, appraently not.
In my quest to better understand the different versions of Sagat :karate: , I must have lost track of that.
Thanks for correcting me. I don’t want to spread bad info! :tup:
Sorry if this was already stated in this thread… I gave it a quick browse and didn’t see it, but the main difference between O and N Sagat, aside single hit DP and faster FB, is that O’s standing LK and standing MK can both be canceled off of either of their 2 hits. That makes standing short twice as godly 
I thought new Sagat could also cancel off of the second hit as well?
Wow, that makes N Sagat extra sucky.
What’s a better poke in general for o.sagat: s short or st forward? cuz both can cancel but short has shorter activation (not sure by how many frames) while forward does more damage.
All i ever use o.sagats tigerknee for is:
-getting in close/ for a crossup after a knockdown
-far AA (chuns jump kicks beat it sometimes though that’s prolly due to my own mistiming)
-jumping over fireballs without risking being being AA’ed (strict timing)
I don’t see anything else i would use it for consistently.
I noticed that while i have a solid turtle game i have a poor offensive game with sagat and against a good player i usually stay in the back/midrange and keep up the firetrap instead of moving in closer so can anyone tell me what are some good offensive tactics/pokes to pressure the opponent when u have them on the defensive/in the corner?