I feel the same way as far as the trade is concerned. You can’t zone a lot of people out in the game and most characters get the same kind of damage without meter.
Full ultra damage and keeping them in the corner is big.
st.lk is just big for giving him some sort of tool for mid range.
No more safe tk strings will kind of suck, I enjoyed those even if they really only put ya at around +1 at best.
st lk cancellable?
For the first time since vanilla
Its Sagat TV. All Sagat, all the Time
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If you dont see what sagat got that is huge you dont understand him. btw forced stand means the first hit makes them stand up second hit ALWAYS connects. So if gat catches a limb his opponent eats BOTH hits and gets sent flying.
And honestly 2 hit blocked strings with TK ONLY worked if ur opponent blocked both hits crouching. if they stand block the second hit it was ALWAYS UNSAFE EVEN IN VANILLA.
Sagat now has the tools to hold his ground and actually FORCE A JUMP. Ok, Sagat lost trade Ultra. He GAINED functionality on his tools. He can now keep people cornered after landing.
And stop whining about no trade i swear on my life it makes you come off as not understanding wtf gat NEEDS to be competitive.
Lastly he cant trade into Ultra 1 due to reduced range. But Ultra 2 is super fast huge projectile so if Gat gets a trade while he has Tiger Cannon stocked, it stands to reason that…
fuck it. tired of thinking for you people. gets old after 5 years.
yea im being an asshole.
I absolutely understand what he got.
I absolutely understand what he lost.
He’s got tools at mid range now which was his weakest area. Forced stand is the better of two like I said at best you got +1 in most cases with the strings. No more getting punished for a random whiffed second hit.
The risk reward factor was still in people’s favor when jumping at sagat with trade ultra. Now it’ll be better because hard knockdown with delayed wake up doesn’t pose the problems sagat once had I admit that.
Whether it was dumb or not I feel like its a lot of damage lost on a zoning character that’s damaged starved in a game that doesn’t favor zoning.
For one bar you can AA EX TU ~ Tiger Destruction
Just throwing that out there
Certainly can, Kara ex dp ultra is great honestly.
Having both ultras will change his game a lot too i think though.
Wow, Sorry im new here.
2-Hit TK on Standing opponents can be punished but it can be safe against throws and slower reversals. Im just an online scrub and many peole online will not know how to handle this properly.
About his st lk. -Second hit of Standing Light Kick is special cancellable- Does this mean it is just is special cancellable if it hits twice and now you can cancel out of the second hit? You still cant cancel if it hits once on greater distacnce?
Oh great Emblemlord plz tell me how this world works and what this means.
But more often than not it will be punished. Most likely with 3-4 frame jab into combo. You can’t use 2 hit TK on the slight chance that you’re opponent doesn’t know how to punish it.
Sight i will translate the changes into dummy language so everybody here can get up on the plateau with everyone.
This means that if you hit your opponent at maximum range of your standing light kick, you cancel it into a special move if you input it within the timeframe. In close range both hits are cancelable.
Anywhere on screen your ultra 1 will connect after tu fadc / ex tu / f.rh
This means that if the first hit of your tiger knee puts your opponent into hit stun WHICH MEANS IF YOUR OPPONENT DOES NOT BLOCK AND GETS HIT BY IT, he will be forced into standing position making sure that the 2nd hit of the tiger knee will connect under any circumstances. Same concept with ryu’s c.hp for example.
Slight nerf yes, this just means that if your throw out a ex TK your even frames with your opponent. Funny thing that before this wouldn’t stop me from getting thrown by other people online when i mashed throw ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Yes, tu fadc ultra 2 is finally viable now. You actually get decent damage for it. Also f.rh etc etc
So? in in alot of matchups like gen and dudley if you anti aired too late you would actually get beaten or into a hard knockdown (dudley’s j.hk) so you didn’t have that tool available in some matchups anyways.
If you people cannot see that Sagat comes off in the end with Additional value and strengthened for this new version of sf4…
Then you might want to reconsider what you are doing with this character and change to someone else that doesn’t require a brain.
Thunder Knuckle hits on frame 7.
Get that mess outta here.
You meaty thunder knuckle with cr.sh as well since it’s 7 frames.
Theres not many matchups where’s he getting knock down and not getting the trade though, so I think that point is moot.
I know how to play sagat plenty but to each his own on this one. I won’t drop the king but I think it’s a big negative change for him despite his many buffs.
Long time since I posted, hope some of yall still remember me.
These Buffs make Sagat a force again, hopefully they stay.
From what I get here, sounds like a lot of ‘new age’ Sagat’s that are worried about the Ultra Trade and not his true fundamental tools. Think of it this way guys, st.lk was so GODLIKE, they removed it from the game for 3 entire updates…THREE! It can go toe to toe with characters trying to walk Sagat into the corner, and it is an excellent counter for Ryu’s cr.mk, you know, the move that ass raped Sagat since Super.
The TK force stand is amazing, for multiple reasons. Now you have another combo ender that does more damage than the TU and on top of that it sends the opponent full screen. This will also be excellent for footsie tools. An example of this is when you do the cr.lk into tk vs shoto’s to get the safe double hit, when you hit them with this anywhere now they should likely take both hits. Catch them with a limb on a whiff punish, go for the TK. Jump in combo’s that left you just out of range for the second hit of the TK will now make it hit.
What I am getting here is that some of the Sagat users here think that Sagat’s zoning game is simply restricted to his FB game. But that couldn’t be further from the truth. His St.lk and TK buff will go MILES in improving his zoning game and should make his FB game that much better because it’s now it’s own option and not the only relied option like in previous updates. Godly.
Who cares that the trade Ultra is gone, sure I’m a bit sad because it’s the Vanilla classic, but when do you ever see it making a huge difference in Tournaments etc. People know they can just walk sagat down, there is no need to jump, but with the st.lk and better tk, have fun walking the man down. AND if you can still combo into the F.rh, then honestly, who cares you can’t combo into the ultra. Maybe you can combo Ultra 2 into it 
Sagat will be FAIR to use, finally.
Justified changes.
If he’s lost trade to Ultra, is it too much to ask to actually give him some real invul on his DP? And maybe up the damage to 130 - 140?
he lost trade to ultra 1.
Clarification mmmmkay
That’s not what the loc test notes say so I’m just going from that. Not sure why they would take out trade to U1 then give him full hits on U2 juggles.
Its Capcom
all his nerfs are justified and the only buff he really needs is st.lk buff,
all this other buffs, force stand, fix ultra bullshit is just non sense
and what with this cocky ass attitude shit
If the top tiers hadnt been nerfed he would need all this more. but since they are getting nerfed all this will just make him top.
fuck it. its our turn.
He’s MAYBE going to be top ten. He will still have bad match-ups in USF4, like: Juri (!), Dudley, Guy, Gouken, Rose and Ken.