Sagat Q&A: Ask simple questions here!

Mvskokee · March 17, 2011, 2:00am

Explain the inputs on the os cr fierce punch if you dont mind

Kikuichimonji · March 17, 2011, 2:07am

The inputs are exactly what you expect, it’s the timing that matters.

HEAVY_WEAPONS · March 17, 2011, 10:29am

yea hard to explain basically it depends on the timing but say you do clk meaty then the second should be clk o.s immediately if your too slow she will escape im not 100% sure if this works on rose but it does on most another thing you can do is cmp which comes out faster with less range. hope it helps i’ll go training mode later tonight and try it. I have a tourney tonight when i get home ill try.hope that helps for now.

and as for the roundhouse/tshot yea if they jump its supposed to come out but i think it may be corner only. ill find out.

il0veb00ty · March 19, 2011, 11:54am

You could OS low step kick, and I believe that it puts you at range for Cr lp combo afterward.

HEAVY_WEAPONS · March 20, 2011, 11:55pm

you can also os jump forward to im pretty sure u cud fuck her up

can u give me a specific situation like are u jumping after knockdown etc

Spirit · March 21, 2011, 2:52pm

thanks for the reply guys, an example would be i have her knocked down, I go in for cr short pressure, she backdashes to safety…

HEAVY_WEAPONS · March 21, 2011, 9:13pm

ok give me sometime i’ll try figure it out man

Ronnicle · April 2, 2011, 8:27pm

I’ve always done the cr fierce on reaction to a backdash cause I couldnt figure out the timing.
Those old Alioune videos were great, I just never figured out the timing to a few of them.

Vicente · April 3, 2011, 3:32pm

a couple questions:

i’ve heard that slower TS are much better for zoning but when i throw them, my opponent eventually walks himself past my comfort zone (outside poke range, too close to throw a fireball ). i have an easier time using HP/HK TS at long range since it comes out so fast so they can’t just walk in my bubble lol. is there something i’m missing with the LP/LK TS or are they kinda useless or maybe matchup dependent?
what is the purpose of medium tiger shots?
in what situations should i be using high ts vs low ts?
i should use well spaced tiger knees to push the other guy out back fullscreen and for the occasional long distance anti air. they can also be used in block strings (again if spaced correctly). am i correct to assume all this or are there other purposes to tiger knees?

5)kara knees? what exactly are they useful for?

thanks for your time guys. any help is appreciated :razzy: countless people played vanilla sagat just for his damage so i figured i’d actually ask advice from folks that have stuck with him despite his nerfs.

Tiger_Slap · April 9, 2011, 7:36am

Vicente:

a couple questions:

i’ve heard that slower TS are much better for zoning but when i throw them, my opponent eventually walks himself past my comfort zone (outside poke range, too close to throw a fireball ). i have an easier time using HP/HK TS at long range since it comes out so fast so they can’t just walk in my bubble lol. is there something i’m missing with the LP/LK TS or are they kinda useless or maybe matchup dependent?

Each TS is important. Low ones are very useful because they are off speed and often times force people to stay back or mistime jumps and land on them etc. They are a really pain in the ass for balrog, he has to time turn around punch perfectly, it also stuffs slides better(not perfect). It’s all change up, Sagat easily beats Ryu in a fireball war, most ryus when they are about to lose the war they neutral jump or jump forward, if Sagat should throw a slow shot if he a)wants to keep him pressured b)wants to keep him away or c)land on a fireball. Very useful for running out the clock near the end, keep throwing fast ones, then slow ones to reset the fire ball war in your favour

what is the purpose of medium tiger shots?
Very important, each tiger shot is important because each is it’s own speed, some are better for catching jumpins than others, punishing pokes, baiting pokes etc, use all three bud.

in what situations should i be using high ts vs low ts?

High shot recovers faster, I tend to use it against Bison when he has U2 because you can uppercut him out of it, much tougher with a low shot. You have to find a blend with both, someone who is half decent with footsie’s will counter poke you all day if you high tiger unsafely.Basically, be smart with your shots

i should use well spaced tiger knees to push the other guy out back fullscreen and for the occasional long distance anti air. they can also be used in block strings (again if spaced correctly). am i correct to assume all this or are there other purposes to tiger knees?

Only use lk and mk knees in block strings, know you’re spacing. They serve many purposes, they break armour, give you meter after you throw someone full screen(do 1 or 2) and they allow sagat to travel much faster on knock down(opponents). Ex knee is amazing in my opinion. I just wish the damage was reversed back to vanilla

5)kara knees? what exactly are they useful for?
Super bad ass, anything Kara is. Use to punish teleports, keep on Dhalsims ass no homo. Bait out Abel’s U2 for the scrubs that use it. Great mobility move, sends you literally flying through the level. Great for chipping your opponent on his last hit, since it’s very fast many players can’t react to it other than blocking.

thanks for your time guys. any help is appreciated :razzy: countless people played vanilla sagat just for his damage so i figured i’d actually ask advice from folks tha
t have stuck with him despite his nerfs.

Hope this helps you out bud

Vicente · April 10, 2011, 10:07am

@tiger slap

thanks for the advice man. much appreciated
any tips on the chun match up? should i keep her out or rush her? maybe just keep her in poke range? she’s personally my hardest match up with sagat.

Tiger_Slap · April 10, 2011, 10:52am

Chun is a tough match up, I don’t care what anyone says it’s in her favour in this game. Some pro sagat will run in here and say it’s 5-5 but trust me it’s 6-4 chun.

-If she throws you forward and dashes forward and jumps on your wake up DON’T PRESS A BUTTON BECAUSE THIS IS A SAFE JUMP.

-Be careful when she has U1 it’s a sagat KILLER, forces you to do way smarter shots, stick to high shots since the recover faster and be prepared to engage in a footsie battle.

-Be careful with her super, it comes out in 2 frames, and can punish everything you have.

-Tiger shots work really well and you can zone her easy, until she gets U1.

-Bait her to jump, so floaty and high she should eat a TU everytime

-Her focus is busted, don’t try to counter poke when she hits you on block, just block smart and tech smart

-She has much better footsie buttons than you, much better…but try to counter poke with cr.hp cr.mp etc

It tend to play mid-screen, it’s where I personally bait the best. If the chun is aggressive I back up and play defence, if she is a turtle i push her into the corner, fight for your space as gay as that sounds haha. Most importantly, just play the sagat you like.

If it makes you feel better this match up is 5.5/4.5 in AE for Sagat

Vicente · April 11, 2011, 8:40am

awesome man! notes taken
so pretty much i should be dealing damage in the chun matchup via TUs and TS’s? i was always wondering why her jump was so floaty…but what do i do about a chun–actually pretty much any character–that sits back and focuses or neutral jump my TS’s? rush them? i figure the only time i should rush someone is if they have a sizable life lead…

Cobra · April 11, 2011, 9:17am

Also if you play the mid-screen game vs Chun, make sure your DP’s or Ultra 1 reactions are on point. Most chuns will go for a hazan-shu mixup or cancel it after a normal. And like Tiger Slap said, if she jumps, DP her. She’s super floaty.

Also Chun without meter is pretty free on wakeup, imo. Rush her down at the start to get an early life lead then lame it out if need be.

Just my scrubby 0.02.

I still struggle with Dhalsim/Bison like a mofo, though. :wasted::wasted:

Vicente · April 11, 2011, 10:35am

why ultra 1?

Mvskokee · April 11, 2011, 8:22pm

You can straight up ultra a baited ex sbk on block. Most good chuns will do a mix of backdash & just blocking on wake up. Kara tk the backdash happy ones. Imo I rush chuns down more after they get ultra one and zone more in the begining. You can ultra 1 or dp the hazan-shu on reaction.

Killer_Jigglypuff · April 14, 2011, 8:38am

So I’ve picked up Sagat recently as a more ranged counterpart to my usual balls to the wall Makoto maining. I’m really feeling this combo going into AE. My execution with Sagat definitely needs work (having trouble getting DPs off those crouching hitstrings) but I’m working on it. What do you guys think? Maining these two a good move?

Highlandfireball · April 16, 2011, 5:13am

I was trying things against some ibuki players last night. I was able to Ultra 2 her mix up bull shit just after I stood up, It would hit on the reverse side and catch her full.

I’m not sure if that’s because she was getting her cross up mis-timed/wrong or not? What say ye?

SagatTheKing · April 16, 2011, 1:19pm

hey guys me again so im getting my ass kicked alot…my biggest problem is pressure if someone gets in on me i have a total mental break down because im too sacred to do anything even when i have meter and then i start to mash out throw and that only get me in a worse situation…i have tried back dashing but sagats bd is pretty slow and i usually end up in the corner cuz i do this alot…I heard focus attack works well to and im trying it out but i just wanted to know what the best ways to handle jump ins and pressure aside from tiger uper cuts …thanks

Tiger_Slap · April 16, 2011, 8:34pm

Hello chaps

Got one question, why do many top Sagat’s Kara TU when they are within normal TU distance? I was watching Vids of CRK BTS, Sanford, Sunset and AFG and they all were point blank of their opponent and still Kara TU.

Thanks chaps