Congratulations, sir, you have made the best observations ever ever forever.
I too will try and make an observation, although it will pale in comparison to yours(you’re probably also really good at comparing stuff too). Both ryu and sagat are really easy to play as, playing about 10 rounds with either of them will make you the best damn ryu or sagat ever. Of course sagat isn’t a “get ye jail out of me” card, no one is, what the hell is that even supposed to mean, shut up. No character is perfectly spammable, but hadoukens and tigerballs are pretty damn spammable. They go fast, do several damages, never disappear, and sometimes home in on the target, and then when someone gets close or jumps you just jaguar knee or koryuken your way across the world and they have to catch a flight in order to get close to you again, and by that time, you’ve regained all your health.
a lil off subject but ok.i was just wondering about how sagat users feel on the subject.i rip 75% of sagats i play but i still play the occasional sagat beast who gives me a good match. i actually enjoy tryin to get inside on sagat with abel.i bait the uppercut and punish with a crazy mixup and a few command throws.im not complaining but i was currious(but i will complain about about about that cheezy overpowerd zangief larriat.Grr.lol.jk)
i agree if u give a child an atomic bomb its more dagerous than an adult with a grenade.i finally decided to check on the post.srry 4 not checkin sooner
Post like these are reasons why I need to go Premium so I can throw some reds around.
Ryu and Sagat, grasping the concepts to learn their basics is “easy” however don’t be fooled by the deeper end of their gameplay. I would like to see any new Ryu or Sagat player in SF:IV to play 10 rounds and somehow be able to beat a solid SF player on any consistency, which btw will never happen.
Hadouken’s and Tigershots (Not Tigerball mind you) are not spammable, they are used as a form of spacing, and any good Ryu and Sagat player knows that spacing with projectiles requires a good amount of practice to do it effectively. People who mindlessly spam projectiles will never ever be able to do it consistently, and will be punished every time. My reference to get out of free jail card, was to imply that Sagat isn’t overpowered. Everyone in this thread understood it besides you, however let me break it down to you, Sagat has strong options, meaning his combobility into Ultra’s are very good, however they aren’t overpowered. UppercutxxFADC still requires you come in and land the thing.
F+FK is one of the strong tools, and Tiger Knee is only super safe if you hit at the end of it, so understanding it’s distances is a must, which is why I’m completely shocked you would deem it spammable. Tiger Uppercut is a Anti-Air, and is supposed to be used for jump ins. How is the Tiger Uppercut overpowered? If you miss, you are easily punished by players who can bait you into it, even top Ryu and Sagat players will miss Uppercuts and suffer punishment for it. So I really don’t understand how you can believe this is a key component that makes him supposedly overpowered.
Again, what I’ve mentioned are strong components to his gameplay, yet none of them have huge priority or power that they completely negate other characters options to attack or punish him. Most of his match ups still fall in between 5-5’s and 6-4’s, mainly 6-4’s in his case. However if one realizes this, 6-4’s are not entirely bad match ups and are actually only slight advantages in any real case. So if match ups are show casing Sagat isn’t overpowered, and tournament results from the best players around the world are showcasing Sagat isn’t overpowered. Just what are you riding on?
Also, Jaguar Knee? Koryuken? Are we even talking about the same character now? Or even the same game in fact? I remember Adon having Jaguar Kick, and Dan having Koryuken, but not Sagat.
Anyhow, I hate to say this, but judging by your post, you clearly do not know what you are talking about.
To be quite honest I could care less about sagat and everyone else for that matter. He does way too much damage for someone who attacks as fast as he does, that’s a fact that can’t be argued, and almost every sagat player has times when they sit back and spam fire at each other from across the screen.
But really that’s all I have to say, I’m a bison guy, or VEGA or however you want to say it.
You can all get back to your little circlejerk now, I’ll stay out of it.
Typical post, removing the fact you do nothing but spew garbage and name calling, you can’t refute what has been stated. If you can’t “avoid” fireballs, then I wonder if it’s the Sagat player who needs to improve their gameplay, or you who can’t avoid fireballs.
SF:IV projectiles pale in comparison to the SFII days, and making this as an excuse is laughable. Sagat takes off good damage, however here’s the point, none of his options are ridiculous, they all have to land, his best options like TUxxFADC still requires you to land the attack up close. He has no high priority moves/strings or what not that negate other characters from being able to counter him accordingly.
He even has more weaknesses then Ryu does which can be exploited by players who know the Sagat match up well. However it’s obvious you don’t know what your talking about, considering your still having problems avoiding projectiles. Some srker’s need to really play this game with good competition before they vomit garbage such as this again.
This very true alot of people just use Sagats tier as an excuse & never even try to exploit his weakness. It is not like most SF4 players are pros so stop bitching & start practicing.
His Sagat is a thing of beauty and virtually untouchable. The only guys he lost to were an Akuma, another GM level Sagat, and Ponyo’s Viper.
You don’t get 215,000 bp and a 78% win rate if your character is weak/garbage/not top tier. I mean, just look at the best Abel player for example.
But anything can happen in a tourney, this is basically casual results. I also don’t think any American Sagats are at Mago’s level yet, and even the Japanese Sagats besides Ojisanboi are not on his level either… but this is Japan, there are lots of solid players and Sagat makes up 7ish percent of the character selection. It is easier for a Ryu to win for example as there are 10% more of them.
Hate is a pretty harsh word, I make the comparisons of Ryu not to give the notion of him being better. This just means you didn’t take it more thoroughly because, I gave the comparisons of the two was to show that Sagat has weaknesses that can be exploited in comparison to Ryu. Let’s be real here, the thing that Sagat does better overall is damage output and a faster projectile (His stamina I don’t even equate to being a huge significant advantage in comparison to Ryu).
However most players will agree that trying to find exploitable weaknesses around a solid Ryu player is more difficult then in Sagat in which he’s slow, footsies is no where near as good, and is a big target.
This doesn’t mean Ryu is a better character, because even with Sagat having more exploitable weaknesses he still has more powerful options then Ryu which cover up his soft spots (We have seen this before in characters from previous FG games, and one such example is 3S with Yang to Yun, Yang has far less exploitable weaknesses and is more versatile overall then Yun, however since Yun has the high priority GJ that can cover up his more apparent weaknesses). However, again, the comparison was to show that Sagat isn’t the “almighty deity” everyone is praising him to be, and that there are very visible chinks in his armor that can be taken advantage of if you now the match up.
i think i actually play better against sagats because i know that eating a combo will do a LOT of damage. im often too aggressive against “weaker” characters.
i can understand people complaining about him. if you let 2 people who have never played sf fight each other, one plays sagat, the other someone else, who would you bet your money on?
he is a bit overpowered in low level play, but thats not what counts. if you get better and know how to fight him he is just fine.
