lol, nice mustache
lol.
I don’t believe Ryu intentionally tried to kill Sagat per say, it’s just that Ryu wanted to win no matter the cost and therefore within that split moment went Satsu No Hadou on Sagat. “If” the intention was to kill Sagat, I believe it would have been far worse instead of just ripping Gat’s chest and and knocking him unconscious.
I thought it was Ryu going into overpowered evil-mode and semi-mindlessly lashing out at Sagat. Also, lol@diverting the thread into storyline discussion.
I mean it’s kind of funny what bad luck Sagat has. Of all the cast who electrocutes you, slices you with claws, lights you on fire, he lets his guard down near the white-bread bipolar boy and gets all fucked up for it.
This thread is retarded and should be deleted,
On one side of the coin you have the pro-sagats (probably people that play him as a main or secondary). They quote their opinions and rhetoric even citing older versions of Sagat (Apples to Oranges… New game remember?)
Then on the opposite side of the coin you get the anti-sagats (more or less likely people who get matched up versus Sagat) these people quote what has been determined as facts based on testing of the character but are still just shouting the same rhetoric.
It’s pretty stupid, the arguments in this thread; we have people comparing SF4 Sagat to older games which is so fucking pointless cause no one can agree on which Sagat was more “OP’d” than the other. Then we have the argument that Sagat isn’t played much in tourney’s well no one ever really stops to think about both sides of the coin, either Sagat is REALLY good and the pros don’t want it to become Sagat Fighter 4 or they just find something lacking in his game.
If you want to argue who is overpowered, please do us all a favor.
- Sell your console
- Take the funds to Walmart
- Buy the WoW Battle-Chest
- Sign up and give the beast your Credit Card
- Join the millions of other babies whining about this or that being OP’d
- ???
- Profit!
Sagat is OP but not broken…he is definitely beatable but I’m just going to list much of facts that to prove he IS OP.
- 2nd Most stamina char
- 2nd Most stun-resist char
- Advantaged match-up against other top tier chars except Ryu & Akuma This is based on various tier rankings and not to mention NO disadvantaged match-ups at all.
- Best HK in the game. One of the best both range & damage. High priority as an AA and hits 2 times(cannot use FA to counter).
- One of the best Ultras in the games. Acts as AA. can be comboed. High Damage.
- One of the best zoning games with Tiger shots and AA options.
- One of the highest damage output characters mainly coming from his normals and DP.
- Best AA options of all chars. His HK, DP, and Tiger Knee.
The only thing you can argue is he’s slow as hell…he has one of the slowest walking speed and slow lp and lk.
But based on all his upsides…I don’t know how one can argue he is NOT OP.
For the love of god stop. Use Akuma in ST and then tell me whats broken.
He’s best but not by much. There always has to be a best (unless you’re playing Double Dragons…). If you want a game to be perfectly balanced, you’re gonna be playing it alone, cuz that’s not much fun. Let me start by saying, though that his Ultra is ridiculous on certain situations. But most of those situations are only really given to him ( ground to air trade set up is silly as hell, as was stated). Otherwise, it’s not all that abusable (compare to that of Rufus’).
But what I was saying, look at the individual match ups more than the over-all points. That’s what it really comes down to. He is not terrible against anyone, but neither is Dictator, IMHO. I honestly feel that he has, maybe just, a decimal disadvantage vs. Sim this time around. Fuzzy answers to cross-ups, Ultra meter shutting down tool options (Abel, Chun etc), slow, etc. What I mean is there is enough optional varieties so that he is not making half the cast unplayable, or even close to it, or even replacing anyone as a ‘more powerful’ version.
It’s just people not liking to be forced into uncomfortable situations while playing ^^; Ie: thinking.
Maybe close thread and have all the Pro Sagat-haters make a support group of anti-Tiger Strats. :tup:
Play CE. Sagat, play O. Sagat, play CvS2 Sagat, come back and tell me if IV Sagat even deserves to make the beds that these other Sagat’s sleep on. Comparing them is not apples and oranges, because it’s not about the “differential” in game mechanics, it’s a demonstration of one simple factor compared which is that against previous Top-Tier characters, IV Sagat is not within the same lines of “overpowered”. Really starting to despise that word now.
Sagat not being used in tournies? Sagat is one of the most heavily favored characters within the SF:IV roster. In the US, he still sees strong gameplay, in Japan, the most winning players are Sagat players. However again, tournaments show that Sagat doesn’t dominate.
Also, pro’s will play whomever they want, it could be they are influenced by Tier and character dominance, or possibly they want to play who they like, or what not, and is irrelevant to Sagat’s status in this game. To answer your question “if” Sagat was really that good, more people would actually be using him.
However your right on one thing, we shouldn’t even be debating about IV Sagat being overpowered, because he isn’t in the first place anyhow.
Oh good god what a disgusting human being
I remember this one time when I was playing a match and there was really bad lag that would have made one round last about 5 minutes so I left as soon as it started.
But back to the issue at hand, Sagat is most definitely overpowered, there is nothing anyone can say against it. First off, he has GIANT legs and arms, probably longer than dhalsims, I don’t know for sure, I never really bothered to look. Second, he can shoot FIREBALLS that go FAST and do DAMAGE. Thirdest, he leans at a rather sloppy 45 degree angle and then rockets himself with his giant legs like some sort of a cat, screams something about an uppercut, and DOES an uppercut. Mostly fourth is that his ultra is like his knee press + his uppercut, and then it does a move that he doesn’t even have normally, and rockets them into the sky and makes fire. Almost last is he has really high health, I think it’s something like triple that of several zangiefs melted together and coated with super-steel. Final last is this, he’s really REALLY fast, and I mean really fast, I saw this one video on youtube, it was taken down after a couple days, where sagat was racing a fast car with punches and kicks, and he totally went faster than the car.
Don’t even bother replying to this post, I’ll shut down your opinions so fast it’ll be like I’m sagat punching and kicking and screaming about tiger genocides or some shit.
P.S. Sagat is totally harassing Sri Lanka, i think he’s a racist
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/rescue-tamil-civilians-tamil-tiger-genocide-tkt-photo-02
He is a very good character but is not unbeatable. He does not have the 2nd highest stamina, Rufus has the 2nd highest, he is tied for 3rd with Abel and Balrog. I am tired of hearing that Sagat is unbeatable, in my opinion, Akuma and Bison need to be fixed more than Sagat, HDR’s Akuma is OP to the point where there is no reason to play anyone else.
I am really, really, getting tired of the word OP getting tossed around on these forums, I have seen OP used for Ken, Sagat, Bison, Akuma, Zangief, and Rufus.
People like throwing out OP on characters because they lose to them and do not take the time to learn how to beat them.
overpowered (don’t use OP please… OP should be used for “original poster” lol…ty…) is suppose to be used similarly to the term “broken.” There is NO FUCKING WAY sagat is broken. Best overall tools in the game? sure. Beatable? sure. has a movement problem? sure. DOESN’T have a damage problem? sure.
Come on… BROKEN is old school akuma where you had character with speed AND strength… AND … this is the MOST important part of it… a move that kinda broke the game because the game really wasn’t built around the idea of how powerful the move was. His air hado’s in ST coupled with his damage made him broken or “overpowered.” Sagat has NOTHING like that. If you don’t have a broken/spammable/semi-unavoidable move… OR you jsut have worlds beyond on attack/def than the rest of the cast… then you are NOT overpowered.
People just feel he is overpowered because they hear so many people complain about him. Yes, he is good. Yes he does a lot of damage and yes he can combo his ultra off of EVERYTHING. But as said if he isn’t winning tournements (and please note… this isn’t for the same reasons Akuma didn’t win tournies… akuma had/has a soft ban on him while Sagat most DEF does not…). Sagat has some good match-ups and no BAD match-ups. So go ahead and call him the “overall against the whole of the cast best character in the game.” Go ahead… and see how useful that is when you get destroyed by an akuma or a ryu or by a ken. Are you going to find something to be “overpowered” about those characters too than? I mean… this sagat doesn’t really even have an “completely unwinnable” match-ups against him. The game is balanced enough that a great player who knows how to counter another character with their given character is going to be on a decent enough ground to win 50% of their matches. Tell me when the given conditions in that last sentence end up having the Sagat player winning in SPITE of their counter knowledge…say… 80-95% of the time and I’ll call Sagat broken and overpowered.
In short… strong mutha fucka… yes. Overpowered? No… and please get your definitions straight or…SOMETHING. That or go play Brawl by yourself.
You really don’t think that sagat is an easily spammable character?
His fierce fireball is the fastest projectile in the game, and he has a very short recovery time from it, it’s like he is actually made out of a million fireballs crammed together and he just sends a little part of himself off to go explode on people, him thrusting his arms forward is just for show. Also, it has a gigantic speed difference between the firece and the weak fireballs, so it’s really easy to trick people and then once they get hit to start sending off the fierce ones again. And then there’s jaguar knee, it goes really really far, really fast, and again, has a very short recovery time, so you can rocket across the stage like a rocket rocketing across a stage.
VRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMm
I mean, as a Vega I have worse match ups than Sagat, I’ll say that. Just learn the matchup and crank his fucking teeth out of his mouth, simple shit.
Anyway, does anyone know why he lost his pupil for this version of street fighter? Is that canon or art direction? Like maybe it will be revealed that Abel tore off his pupil in a match then sagat made him lose his memory.
Fail.
I don’t think I’ve ever lost to a sagat before, he’s slow and predictable unless you come across someone who mains him w/ some serious skill.
Not hating, just my .02
The first couple of plays I thought he should be nerfed, but now if someone chooses ryu(main), I jump to sagat and beat that ass, as a result my opinion has changed. His speed is offset by his power and as a result they probably will keep him the same
Play better Sagat’s.
Also Ryu and Sagat go even or close to it.
The better player will win.
Im down for those who wana fight my Sagat. Im not saying im the best wit him but ill still whoop yo asses.
Sagat can’t spam things in SF:IV, if a Sagat player started to spam Tiger Shots to no avail, they will absolutely die by a player who has a moderate knowledge of how the match up goes like.
In fact in SF:IV, as good as Tiger Shots are, they are nowhere near the priority they were in the SFII series. Yet even in games like CE/HF/Super/ST if you didn’t properly shoot Tiger Shots, you would get annihilated easily. SF:IV Sagat isn’t spammable whatsoever, he just has strong solid options, however none of them are over the top “too good” potential.
He’s slow, his footsie game pales in comparison to Ryu’s, he’s tall, he can’t cross up as well, all of these can be exploited, and have been exploited by players who know the match ups. I’ll tell everyone now, although Sagat is #1, and as a Ryu player, I would prefer to fight Sagat then to fight say another solid Ryu player, simply because Ryu’s weaknesses are nearly non-existent, and he has no faulty handicaps like slow speed, being too big, or lack of footsies or cross ups. “If” Ryu did as much damage as Sagat, he’d actually be the better character.
Sagat is strong, however he’s not a “Get me out of jail free” card.