Wait why? Their dp’s are still 3 frames no? Cept Ken’s I believe.
Well I don’t know if it’s really right to say not anymore. It’s probably better to say you still can’t but the reprocussions for fucking up your safe jump are far less. As a matter of fact characters like Juri have a stomp based air move that creates an untechable knockdown and she seemed to get knocking this Ryu player down during wake up situations whether she safe jumped Ryu with it or not. That’s what it seemed like any ways. Shoryu fighter IV is done either way though.
I have safe jumped Ryu in vanilla SF4. I never tested it with Akuma or Ken, but I’m sure it’s possible against them too.
There was something about it in the Guile forum. Back throw, then forward+hp on the first possible frame, then jump forward and hk on the first possible frame and you’ll land and block a reversal DP.
Agreed.
He’s also not Blazblue CT top 4. Fight a competent Nu, Arakune, Rachel or Carl. For the ppl who say it wouldn’t be so bad if he (Sagat) was harder to use, I guarantee after you lose to one of these 4 characters, you won’t care how much skill it took for Carl to infinite you or for Rachel to keep you locked down or for Arakune to keep you cursed all match. All you’ll care about is that you lost and that those characters are REALLY good.
If Viper’s (or even Gen’s) specials did more damage, and it pushed her to stronger-than-Sagat tier, do you think people would care how much work Viper players have to put in to get good with her? No. They’ll only care that she’s the best.
It doesn’t matter how easy or difficult a top tier is to use. People are gonna complain regardless, so don’t try to justify it with “…if Sagat took a bit more skill, I’d be fine with him”.
you can’t safe jump ryu. it is by definition mechanically impossible in the game. if you throw out an attack in the air that you intend to hit ryu with, your attack frame (1) + your landing recovery frames (2) are longer than the startup of ryu’s reversal (active on the third frame), so you get hit no matter what. (lets not get into a long discussion about crossup attacks with bizarre hitboxes like divekicks or whatever stuffing shoryu on wakeup)
+1 If that worked, the ryu screwed up.
Chun does have an unblockable on Ryu, but DP will still get him out of it.
Actually, Gilley made a video proving that the only character that can’t be safe jumped (even w/ 3frame DP) is Gouken; although the safejump is really strict timing. I will post the link once I find it.
here it is. [media=youtube]KA0aLhi-SZM[/media]
So, not having a single bad matchup in the entire game and giving trouble to all characters doesnt mean he is overpowered? Ok.
He’s obviously OP otherwise he wouldn’t be nerfed like he is… but i guess some people think being overpowered means the same as being broken… Which i don’t think he’s broken at all.
So OP yes, Broken no.
Even Capcom admits to making Sagat being more stronger than intentional, which would literally mean making more powered or overpowered than he was intended.
Sagat loses to Gouki sir.
Who does Gouki lose to BTW? Anyone?
Interesting.
No one that I know of. I believe his worst match is probably even.
Sagat does not lose to Gouki (and even if he does, it is negligible), and Sagat has matchups far more slanted in his favour than Gouki does, and more of them, too.
a good cammy can shut gouki down
and akuma doesn’t really have that much padding compared to sagat, id give two shits about the tier list if they were all high-execution or demand characters on the top
Oh come on let’s not rehash this debate again.
Sagat does not lose to gouki, maybe at mago/tokido level its a 5-5. Still, one even matchup.
Im a tier whore too, dont know why some people try to defend their character like if they are getting paid or something (not saying that you are doing it emblemlord)
Fact is that sagat , ryu and akuma are overpowered in sf4 due to either some of their moves/properties/mixups/damage or retarded game mechanics.
Negligible? A 65/35 is negligible? Who would have thought? And wtf is your argument in the first place that Sagat doesn’t lose to Gouki? Gouki beats him in all fronts in this match except zoning which they go even in and max damage output cuz of Ultra which is actually hard to nail on Gouki since he controls the match.
Plz debate me plz. Hell debate me in Cammy vs Gouki and I will prove that shit is even too.
Yeah you would. It’s competitive nature.That’s the way people think. btw thanks for giving me a chance to quote myself:
Emblem I would like to hear your thoughts on Cammy vs Gouki, cause I’d score that one 6-4 for Gouki. This is based on:
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Whiff CS and you eat ultra, round is over.
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Gouki has far superior footsies.
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She can’t apply pressure on his wakeup due to teleport. Does she have an option select for this scenario that I don’t know about?
Seriously, Magneto takes HELLA skill in MvC2. Do people bitch about him? You bet your fucking ass they do.