Sagat Improvement Thread

Gouki has zoning and footsies. Cammy can’t just throw out random shit or else she gets rocked and she is far more unsafe char overall. When she has meter and Ultra she gains some options and can blow through fbs and she can catch teles, but Gouki still has superior tools and controls the match. When she gets meter just close the distance and play a close range game which Gouki is superior at.

I would say it’s either even or 6/4 Gouki. Cammy has some stuff when she has meter like I said and she can catch teles with arrow, ultra or super, but she has to look for that shit and if Gouki doesn’t do that she might end up letting him get up for free.

Sagat-Gouki 35/65? Hahahaha

no i wouldn’t - its the same reason why i don’t mind yun in 3s… yun is relatively put clearly better than sf4 sagat but i still dislike sagat more than yun

Nah , I could argue that Yun isn’t better then SF4 Sagat. Yun isn’t that hot. It’s just his SA Genei Jin. Chun is monstrous with meter or no.

Sharin: You know Eita the Gouki that was in that major in France recently? Yeah, he thinks it’s 65/35 Gouki’s favor. About 6/4 if you ask me though. But one thing is for sure. It DAMN sure ain’t even. Mago calls it as 6/4 Gouki’s favor as well.

Sorry, but options is what decides match-ups. Not raw damage. Gouki’s options nullify several of Sagat’s options. Plain and simple.

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Yeah I’m done on thinking that Akuma vs. Sagat is even in Vanilla. Akuma clearly has the advantage.

You bet I bitched and moaned about Magneto. Until I tried to use him and simply put gave me new PERSPECTIVE that you definetly need to put in some work to use him. This is the problem w/ Sagat or any other top tier/popular character, players lose on a consistent basis to theses characters and the easiest thing to do is bitch and moan about it. Especially people online, “Yo i hearz on teh intwerwebz sagat is Mad broke, U iz Be cheatin” without any PERSPECTIVE as to what these characters are required to do to win on a consistent basis. I guarantee that within the first couple weeks people are going to get their twat hairs in a bunch about Dudley, “Dudley is Broken, way overpowered” simply because they wont know the matchup, even if hes/or isnt the top tier character. PEOPLE GET PERSPECTIVE!!

Times may have changed.

Fuck man Akuma is broken. Did you see he throws fireballs in the AIR? What the hell is that shit?

Just going by what i have seen(i use gouken not cammy or akuma) but cannon strikes can shut down his air fb game, she can option select into her ultra if akuma teleports. Of course if she whiffs she wil eat a full ultra but no good cammy player is gonna do that. Sagat can’t complain about any matchups(just like ppl cannot complain about sagat, just learn the matchup), he is not god tier by any means but he is the tops. The only god tier char i can think of recently would be v-13 in blazbroke. Again, i am just going by what i see. The local cammy player(who does go to tourneys) is very confident in the matchup so i just take his word( i have yet to see him lose akuma). Overall i don’t know how ppl can complain about balance in this game.

Asking who’s outright better between Akuma and Sagat is a stupid question. They both have different strengs and weaknesses. I’ll give Sagat this though, he doesn’t have to worry about getting random’d out like Akuma does. He’s the random outer-er.

I’ve actually been messing around with Sagat lately and he’s super fun. I was playing a pretty good Akuma (my main) and he was rocking me pretty bad one match. I had a full super and a full ultra. I had nothing to lose so I did a completely random jump-in for no reason whatsoever. He just happened to be throwing a fireball when i jumped in. I did jump-in HP>cr.MP>TU>FADC>f/HK>ultra. That shit does fucking 680 damage on Akuma.

How the hell can you OS someone with a DP? Or Gouki for that matter? He doesn’t even need to entertain such notions.

Plz educate me.

Dude has a bad match up against Bison, if I’m not mistaken.

Chun has an option select off a jump in fierce that will catch Akuma if he teleports out.

Its this, you can try it out:

J.fierce > HCB Taunt

If he teleports out, she does one fierce and then RH Hasanshu, which tags him as his teleport ends.

If he doesn’t teleport out, she gets double fierce.

I think he can EX DP out of this though…it only option selects against his back teleport…I’d have to check frame data to confirm if he can stuff her with EX DP.

Blaz blue is not broken, its unbalanced. Gotta love people that talk without even playing the game, v-13 is not more godly than any top tier you can think of in 90% of fighting games

No, akuma beats dictator

Oh god please do not turn this into a BB vs SF debate. I would prefer “SAGET IS OP” shitfests over that.

Sorry I should not have even mentioned it.

I’ll edit.

It’s cool, you probably weren’t trying to start anything either, but people are quick to defend their FG.

safe jump rh is the option select i see the most i believe. I call it blazbroke out of love, it is broke, it’s okay to admit it. GG started out the same way, turned into the best 2d fighter out imo. Blue will go the same route, just wait for BlazBlue#calamitous intent. The broke games are the fun ones anyway. Don’t assume i don’t play it beacause it is broke. Arc makes some mad fun games, HNK anyone?