hyper tiger beam!
Without standing light kick cancel, it’s going to be that much easier to push sagat into the corner where he doesn’t want to be. Ryu can just walk up and start poking you to death with c.mk, and there would be very little sagat can do. Even with s.lk a Ryu with good footsies will give Sagat probablems once he gets into that sweet spot.
Now if Alioune is right and Sagat can still trade TU to ultra, that’s a pretty big deal. It says you still can’t jump on him all day long for free or else there’s a chance you’re going to eat 400-500 damage.
I don’t care about reduced damage output. stamina and whatever.
I do Mind fucking up his far st.lk. Not cancelable in TS TK???
Come on, this made sagat fun to play with. Thanks capcom for fucking up the King!
Great job! I think im gonna swap to another char.
I like how the second there might be one difficult MU for Sagat, everyone jumps ship.
Grow the fuck up and start paying dues like everyone else.
it has more to do with playstyle I think. They are messing up how many people liked to play with him with this change, at least for me it does.
You mean perfect rushdown and zoning capabilities? Yeah shame that it would now be rated 10/10 zoning and only 8.5/10 rush down now.
st. lk cancel would fall under zoning…but agreed
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And in enter’s the ruler of darkness.
And thus begins the litany of sagat players leaving sagat, claiming its a “style” thing and not a “nerf” thing.
Nerfing Sagat in some way was the easy option even though they said they would buff everyone else and leave him. Change one character at the top, add 10 others and maybe throw a few other additions to other characters and job done. Sagats s.lk is an amazing tool and it will make him much easier to get at and reduce his options pressure. Other top tier characters took a hit also though and the Sagat players need to recognise this - Akuma - no loop, Ryu - 2 hit dragon, Rufus - ex messiah and snake stike nerfs, Zangief - Lariat nerf and health.
As for people changing from Sagat because they don’t like what they hear…let them, they have the right to. Whoever is top tier will have loads of people using them and that is the nature of fighting games. One thing with having more characters and some changes though, is that nobody will enjoy the success Sagat had in SF4, not even Sagat himself and I see nobody at all holding court over the rest of the cast like he did in SF4 until Akumas potential was truely unlocked.
For people who drop Sagat without giving him a chance though, be careful what you wish for - he is still going to be top 5 no problem whatsoever and you might just pick an amazing character that their worst match is Sagat…then you could just find out why lots of people hate on him so much!
I guess the rationale was that he was so good at zoning you, doing/taking damage and advancing on you that something had to give.
In a perfect world they would have buffed everyone but it was a bit unrealistic given how much development time they proposed
For me it’s actually both. Watch a vid of me and how I rush the fuck outta people. Stand short cancel was pivotal to my gameplay style.
No dude I wasn’t counting you in that group. I’ve not seen you play but I have been informed by players I respect that your Sagat is solid.
That and I think the development team spent more time creating the 8 new characters (DJ and T.Hawk already had 3D models before SFIV was released) then focusing on buffing and tweaking and what-knot. Testing started in December didn’t it? I was expecting 8 or 9 months of testing.
You know…I been wondering about that, exactly. Seems like I’ll see random ass posts in threads saying that they heard I was good and the general word around SRK is that I’m good at the game. I wonder how this general opinion came about? I don’t talk about my tourney results or any big name players that I may have beaten or gone even with or w/e. Fuckin gossip I swear. Not complaining just curious.
I wish I could tell you but I don’t even remember man.
EDIT: So I watched some of your matches just now and I can see how you do use the standing short, and how that would suck to lose that tool. (LOL I also noticed your unapologetic mashing of DP/TK during all your opponent’s block strings, but I guess I have to hate capcom for that…I suppose I can’t blame you for abusing a situation that shouldn’t even exist in the first place).
I think capcom is trying to say that a character with one of the best spacing games in SFIV really doesn’t need to be able to rushdown aswell. Sagat is weak against footsies, good thats his weakness. He doesn’t need an answer for everything. I’m not saying his up-close game should be striaght ass, but knee strings were unpunishable by alot of people, and mixed with TS spam, it hurt them alot.
The point I’m trying to make is that Sagat is not going to be that bad. You’ll just have to try harder to make up for his nerfs.
This may have already been cleared up, but can you duck Sagat’s ultra 2? Looked like the same trajectory as a high Tigger Shot.
I couldn’t care less if he is still playable. The nigga isn’t breaking top 5 I promise you unless it’s found out that Juri and a few other new chars were overhyped and aren’t that strong.