So, you have to show some character’s loyalty to pick a low tiers ? No.
You have to pick the character you think will fit play your playstyle, not necessarly the character you love. I’m ok with picking a low tier, if you play it right and if he fits your game, go ahead. So you’ve misunderstanded his opinion and didn’t read well.
People you was talking about, the one who have to find new ways to push their character limit, are the winner style he was talking about before.
( Et comme t’es franais, je te l’cris en franais aussi. Donc je disais que les winner dont je parlais, sont les types qui poussent les limites de leurs personnages pour affronter les gros tiers du jeu. Pas ncessairement des types qui prennent des high tiers pour la win. T’as mal lu ce qu’il a marqu. )
No. Your substitutes will be stand jab, low forward, and low fierce. Stand jab is one frame faster then stand short with less range. Low forward is one frame slower but the cancel into TS is tight. Still less range then stand short. Low fierce is frame 8, but has good priority and block pushback.
Stnad strong isn’t a good sub since it has the same range as stand jab which is fucking nonsense BTW.
Sagat’s normals have good range and all, but alot of his ranges make no fucking sense. Low short has less range then stand jab. Low forward has less range then stand short. Stand jab has more range then low short. Shit is bananas. THIS is the shit they shoulda fixed, not giving him a useless fucking power up.
all the “bwaaaaaah, my sagat isn’t god mode anymore” people will probably revert to him once they realize it’s a lot harder to win with everyone else than it is to win with sagat. He may have gotten nerfed a bit but he and may no longer be leagues above virtually everyone in SFIV but he’s still going to be plenty powerful.
Obviously, we don’t know how he compares to the likes of Dudley but I doubt he’s all of the sudden Guile tier or anything of the sort. So you’ll have to work a bit harder for wins but in the end you won’t have to work so hard that you Rage quit Sagat and pick another character who in all likelihood is lower tier.
I would be very surprised if Sagat is better than dudley now. Since his close range game got nerfed and Dudley having great speed, options and 100 ways to rape you with an ultra lol it’s gonna be tough for sagat. Let’s hope his angry scar is more useful than it looks, especially if you can evade certain moves and go for a counter right after. That would be great, time will tell
Meh, this thread seems to have reverted to a lot of QQing and threatening to rage quit Sagat so yes, making a post about it is relevant. It’s almost as bad as the Ryu thread in that sense.
People are freaking out all over the place about a game virtually none of them have played when the reality is that according to the people who actually have Sagat will still be very close to the top (probably in the top 3).
So, yeah, I’d say a little perspective is needed. If you want to pick Sagat because he’s top then don’t worry, he’s still going to be very good. If you pick sagat because he’s badass then carry on, that won’t change.
What you are saying is just the echoing of what other people are saying, you’re contributing nothing. You can understand how sagat players are pretty disappointed by all this at least, most the shit that made their character good is being taken down a notch. Not that he’s going to be bad or anything, but it’s just kind of a natural response when you see shit taken off. Like say lk SK weren’t safe on block, you’d be pissed off too, right?
And on the note of rage quitting characters, I’m thinking about doing that with Cammy, not as much because she got a nerf on CS, but because of the shit she didn’t get that she damn well needed.
ahh that’s too bad. It’s not very useful then. They sure nerfed ryu and sagat a lot who are both my two mains. I’ll still play them but I need to look for someone else as my #1 and it has to be someone cool and effective lol that’s how I pick characters. Maybe ken if he’s improved considerably or akuma…I’ll find out when I get the game and try everyone out
Right, so logically speaking only one person needs to complain about the changes and then everyone else can STFU? If this were the case I wouldn’t even have posted but the thread has devolved into a bunch of me toos. I didn’t expect to change anyone’s mind necessarily but I hope that I can at least put this into perspective for those who were freaking out and maybe change the tone of the thread to a more calm, rational discussion of Sagat.
Of course I would be upset if Bison lost a safe on block lk SK but that’s because that is one of the few tools Bison has in his arsenal whereas the nerfs apply to only some of his tools. Significant ones yes but in no way does it destroy the character.
For the record I think Capcom went about this the wrong way. They should have buffed instead of nerfed. What they did or rather didn’t do to Gen, Vega and Cammy makes no sense.
I think Sagat should have an unblockable Tiger Beam that lasts 7 seconds instead of the Tiger Cannon. I also think he’s the only one in the game that should have something like that.
Lol holy shit that’s funny…rocket launcher and all. Thanks for posting that…this thread and the Ryu thread having sooooooo much complaining it’s utterly pathetic. Good to have laugh in this gloomy thread once in a while.
Sagat still has other tools. Bisons lk SK is pretty much the only one of his moves that isn’t broken. You aren’t getting the good stuff nerfed, you’re getting OP stuff nerfed.
Welcome to Bison land, where everything needs fixing