This is the only part of it that gets me. I have no problem with anyone switching mains at any time, but it just doesn’t sit will with me that people are switching because it’s not gonna be retardedly easy to combe back in a match anymore.
There is no particular reason why I’m switching. It’s not any one thing ya dig. It’s just the summation of things that come down to Sagat not being top anymore. If you wanna know the MAIN thing that set it off it was the loss of the stand short cancel. That killed it for me. But that’s still just a part of it.
Yeah if they nerfed chun or dictator hard, I might feel the same way. Of course they were not nearly as beast mode as Sagat, but that isn’t the point.
I really won’t blame Gen players either…if the reports are true, capcom literally ruined that character for high level play.
More proof that Capcom doesn’t know dick about their own games.
Sometimes all it takes is a single nerf and that would be a big nerf. Sagat’s standing short not cancelling anymore is pretty big, i think the rest of his other nerfs are fairly minor since for the most part, his core game still exist - amazing zoning, safe tiger knees etc etc. Imagine for instance if they nerfed ryu’s c.mk and made it non cancel, that shit would hit the roof for sure.
Well yeah, that is exactly what they did to Gen by removing the mk > hands link…now the question is: Is this 100% confirmed, and if so…did they give him some other really good stuff to compensate?
maybe engine changes in themselves will compensate?
My current theory is that since they said all focus attacks got sped up, now Gen’s focus attack is SO RETARDEDLY awesome that he didn’t need the mK link anymore.
That is a stretch, but I suppose its possible.
He would be able to poke with MK, and suck you in for the crumple, then: st.fierce > fierce hands
(or worse, I just wanted to list a meterless option).
I doubt it… Sagat’s footsie game is non-existent without it in the context of SF4. Dudes like Rog and Ryu can get in poke range without any kind of fear now. Hell, the shotos can probably c.MK him to shit now. Sure you can cancel it after the first hit only, but chances are if they are in that close you’re in for a world of hurt already.
I don’t think its so much FA got sped up, its the fact that the game is sped up so everything seems faster.
No, they said very acutely that focus attacks have been sped up, time to LV2 has been reduced for everyone except Seth.
EL have you thought about who you will main for SSF4 yet? Also just want to say that I constantly go over the Sagat Next level thread, and it has improved my game a ton, especially my wake up game. With my schedule I cannot devote as much time into practicing or testing things out, so the time i do get i either play or read the great threads here on SRK or other great sites. The next level thread was simply a gold mine of info that in the scene that many people would be extremely reluctant to give out. Just saying thanks EmblemLord!
Kind of a reversed situation for me personally. Since Vega doesn’t seem to have recieved anything groundbreaking apart from a more-useful ultra, I might have to switch it up with a character with more options, possibly Guy. I’ve spent too long playing a character with mediocre mixups and just terrible aspects all around to continue maining him. If he turns out to still be ass, I’m definitely switching, favorite character or not.
EDIT: Just to stay somewhat on topic does anyone know how much TU damage is boosted after activating angry scar? Mr. Wiz said the damage is doubled, but what exactly is it? 200 for normal version?
In all honesty, losing st. short cancel really honestly destroys Sagat’s mid-close range game. Max range st. short xx LTS/EX LTS is his only way to push back out of that zone. The rest of his normals are garbage at that range and get stuffed for free by the whole cast. So unless they made the range on his low forward better and made it faster, anyone with decent footsies is gonna run over Sagat as soon as they get to that range (which isn’t hard).
even in street fighter 4, O.sagat is better than N.sagat. maybe in the future capcom will make a ssf4t in which you can select any character from any version of sf4.
Well the Irony is that this reallly has now turned into a “Sagat Improvement Thread”. Keep all the nerfs but just give us back st.lk cancels.
You know what? I changed my mind… I think sagat DOES need to be improved.
I like El honesty too. I think character loyalty is shit too. Just a gay fanboy matter. Some play to enjoy, some play to WIN. And thanks to people who play to win, the game level up.
I fought him in a while on the psn, and he knows what he do. Sagat rush and pressure fits El way of play, and I can clearly see the reason why is fucked up with Sagat best middle range move gone.
If your character gameplay change, you have to reconsider picking him. Will he still fits your playstyle ?
When SSF4 comes out we Sagat players gotta hit the lab lol. Maybe cr.MP can be a stand-in substitute for st.LK 
With that kind of reasoning, the whole SF4 scene would be full of Ryu, Sagat and Boxer.
The game level up because there are people who want to win and who show some loyalty to their character even when they have negative matchups, so they are forced to find new ways to handle their opponents.
If people were thinking like you, Viper would still be considered low tier, no one would be playing Fuerte or Guile and the game would be pretty boring.