Sagat Improvement Thread

Sagat getting a health and damage nerf is fine by me, if the angry scar move does give him some sort of evasion/temporary buff up property.

with that said, we have to see what this angry scar move actually does

yeah from those vids, its kinda obvious that there’s nothing…well…obvious as to what it does. we know it doesn’t make him ‘invincible’, we know it doesn’t boost his health. we know it doesn’t charge up his ultra meter…but…i still think it could ‘power up’ his next uppercut. T-Hawk probably has more health than Sagat in this game, Sagat’s uppercut damage output has been nerfed, and there’s damage scaling at the end of one’s health, it could easily still be something like that…or…it simply powers up Sagat’s next special and he wasted it on that tiger shot he threw before he did the TU.

this is still pretty intriguing through, i’m really curious as to what it could be. if it is an uppercut powerup, I wonder if you could ‘cancel’ into it and then ‘cancel’ angry scar into a TU mid combo off of a normal with a lot of hitstun. so maybe something like, cr.forward xx angry scar xx TU ? I dunno though…im just throwing that idea out there but i guess not looking at the footage again. t-hawk’s roundhouse or forward kick active when sagat activates angry scar, but it only slows down hawk’s roundhouse/forward and eventually it hits him, meaning angry scar has recovery. using this as an evasion move seems highly unlikely since you’d probably have to activate it like at the end of the active frames of whatever move…i dunno though, if it has recovery i don’t see how it could be used that way since it freezes the screen. so say you activate it one frame before the last active frame of a move. it freezes the screen and then that last activate frame comes out + sagat’s recovery means that he’d probably get hit by it. who knows though its all speculation but it doesn’t seem like a practical evasion tool from what we’ve seen.

If it gives a TU slightly more damage…well then it better be significant because doesn’t EX TU do more damage than fierce TU?? not sure since i dont play sagat but if so, then angry scar better do a significant amount of damage more than an EX TU or else it’s just a waste for something like +20 damage. You can get that off of chip and save that bar for FADC.

No cancelable s.lk? Rose players rejoice :smiley:

why are people confusing invincible with unblockable?

From looking at the video the angry scar reminded me of C.Viper’s EX seismo. Invincibility wears off before the move finishes starting up. So there probably is some invincibility to it but as long as you know it’s coming and you’re in his face you can just smack him out of it before it hits you.

Well…wait never mind. Watching the video again it seems the angry scar creates a super freeze effect so yeah T.Hawk wouldn’t have even been in active frames yet.

If it makes his next move invincible then that will be amazing. Tiger Knee could be the new EX messiah…

yay he gets a new fing move even though other players still down and out.
make me wonder how much skill does it even take to play this guy since hes still OP.
hope he dies!!!

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA hilarious

Keno said the angry scar move gave him invincibility on all of his moves and previously it was mentioned the move would power up his TU… I’ll wager it’s a one shot deal, like the next move gets extra invincibility frames. The question is that worth an EX stock? Would there be an advantage to using this vs a normal EX move? Does this mean that none of his moves have invuln now in order to incentivise you to use it? IDK if specials ever had invuln btw, I don’t play Sagat.
This seems more like a telegraphed defensive option… it might have other applications and we don’t know the mechanics of it but it seems like if it’s a 0 frame move then if you’re quick you can probably anticipate something, activate the AS and then throw out another move to sort of avoid the attack (kind of like how people would activate the VCs in A3 to take advantage of the ridiculous startup invuln).
Otherwise he seems to have been scaled back a bit. His block strings won’t be as dominant and he lost a bit of health. If skill says that people are going prefer this version of Sagat though it means he must have gained from somewhere else… I wonder…

Also, for the record: invincible and unblockable are totally different things.

oh, and I don’t get the Sagat hate. yeah. he’s a high tier character with a lot of tools and he might have it a little easier than other characters but he’s not OP by any means.

Yeah Sagat really needs help in his matchups buff him capcom. Its hard fighting Zangiefs.

Trolling. I’m liking the Sagat nerfs. Hes got bitch hp and bitch damage. woot!

Best part is he’s still gonna whoop your character’s ass. :lol:

im just glad they nerfed this guy. Disapointed that they gave him a new move. Fei long coulda used something since he has to work for evertyhing he does, This guy can just spam tiger this and tiger that during a crisis and hope it connects.
beat this guy pretty much all the time in the G1 rankings, but thats not SG, still a hassle to deal wit, but damn happy to hear all this cause it just made my life easier :smiley:

LOL… his ‘nerfs’ are hardly nerfs. So they reduced his stamina and damage. Whoop-dee-friggin-doo. All this means it’ll take slightly longer for him to finish you off.

Pretty much ^

::goes off to cry in a corner::

yea, he is still gonna be totally bad ass. Just look at that huge fucker. I couldn’t fight him

man i want some clarification on the angry scar what is it purpose does it just make his next move unblockable or what ?

I’ve read that it can avoid throws and normal hits and also boost his next TU.

I hope they remove trade dp, that move needs to go, auto correct cr lp tiger uppercut to rh, ultra is bs, and i use sagat as a 3rd.

all sagat haters should watch this

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