Not even close to unique to Sagat.
It’s garbage no matter what character.
Yes, yes it is.
They need to fix it for everybody so this game can stop being such a defensive mash fest where no one actually gets punished for having bad positioning. Besides…Super SFIV fails as a game if Ryu and Sagat are still the best 2 characters. If that happens it means they didn’t fix shit.
I really wanna know…who the fuck should be top tier if not Sagat?
Sagat always struck me as one of those chars where you look at him and it’s like…this motherfucker deserves to be top tier. And when he isn’t it’s fuckin sad, like wtf someone on the design team clearly fucked up.
Dan. Make Dan top-tier and absolutely no-one will complain except the haters. Fuck the haters.
Well that’s probably because Sagat takes the most advantage of what is considered powerful in traditional SF games. Control of space. That’s why its really not that bad for Sagat to be top tier because it really just means ur playing a sf game that emphasizes spacing and footsies. Which is good. Its just the rest of SF’s traditional mechanics are shot to shit in this game and it really limits some of the characters from being as aggressive and powerful against characters like Ryu and Sagat as they could be.
Oh and screw ur safe shoryus. :lol:
Right. And the greatest beneficiaries of that mechanic are characters with invincible uppercuts. There was something Killian said about making them “easier to deal with” in Super, but who knows what that means. Ideally everyone agrees that the reversal window needs to be reduced, mash-friendly shortcuts removed, etc. but realistically, its not likely that these mechanics themselves are gonna be much different.
All of that being said, Emblem Lord is a guy that openly admits to being a tier whore and is now bitching about Sagat not being not being able to, in addition to far zoning range and close range, dominate enough from poke range. His argument on why Sagat “deserves” to be the best in the game speaks volumes :lol:
If a char is top I think they should look the fucking part.
Chun being top is HORSESHIT in 3s. lololol,. Nah I hate that bitch for completely different reasons. She got the thunder thighs though so that’s cool.
A light cancelled into a projectile is me wanting my main to bet op or sum other such nonsense?
Me getting punished for trying to do a basic pressure string is and saying it’s bullshit is bitching even though everyone who plays the game on a high level generally agrees on this?
Are you fucking serious?
No, we aren’t even going to entertain this shit ok? That was a fucking retarded ass comment you made end of fucking story. I will not flame you and I will let it die here with this.
It was fucking dumb as hell and by far one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in regards to the combat engine.
I wish we still had rep, that way I would give you more neg rep and fill that meter with red you pathetic trolling scrub.
Anyways, I agree with the fact that you see Sagat, you see his eye patch, you see his massive, and you notice he is 7’ 4", he is going to be in the top 5 for sure. Sagat is the best at spacing, something that most scrubby players dont get. Instead of avoiding the fireballs and baiting tiger knees, they run straight into the fireballs, face first even. Then, after they lose, they run to here, Eventhubs, GameFAQs, or DSP, and complain about Sagat being OP, despite the fact that Sagat isnt OP…if he was, we would see constant Sagat vs Sagat matches like the Chun-Li vs Chun-Li in 3s.
They need to fix Sagat’s corner ultra glitch, straight up.
So if it’s cool I’ll just skip your misogynistic and otherwise braindead comments regarding machismo and balance in video games and just state that Street Fighter is about controlling space. In a diverse, well-balanced game, some characters will be based on zoning from far away while others are best suited up close or at midrange. Sagat in SF4 is a zoning beast, and thanks to the game mechanics and some superfluous tools, he’s also quite dangerous up close. This means that a lot of characters best bet is to remain around midrange, dancing in and out with pokes and able to jump Tiger shots, etc. Now you, maining Sagat solely because he’s considered “top” due to his considerable advantages, obviously want everything to be as easy as possible - standard scrub mentality. And it’s out of this mentality that your latest suggestion was devised. Rather than have to work to stay in a favorable range (actually very easy w/ Sagat), you want to “fix” it so the one situation in which Sagat is not inherently dominant, becomes so, by making it easier for you to play predictably without any worry. If you’re constantly being srk’d or jumped on out of your “pressure string” at midrange…maybe you stop doing it? Oh, or is that the only way Sagat can compete? Yeah, that’s such bullshit that you can’t do whatever you want in any situation, geez. Instead of you learning and playing better, let’s just make it easier for you to play bad and still win. Brilliant.
Feel free to respond with whatever asinine remarks you have handy./
lol its like the Twilight Zone the way you guys seem to consider this sheer idiocy to be some sort of valid logic.
Dude, I said it’s over already.
The convo ended before it even began.
But please stop making assumptions about my skill level and how I play. You don’t know me or why I think certain things about the game mechanics. BTW I think it’s BS because in ST, Alpha 2, etc, you could not jump out of a light canceled into a projectile nor could you dp out. Did I SAY I was constantly dped out of blockstrings? No. I said the mere fact that it EXISTS for ALL CHARS that rely on projectile pressure strings is complete BULLSHIT.
It wasn’t even a Sagat thing. It was more of a “whats wrong with SF4” thing and something that most agree should be fixed.
Whats fucking dumb is you saying Sagat should be top tier because of his looks. At this point why do you give a shit about the combat engine, as long as he looks that part lets buff the shit out of him. Retard.
Why dont you just say he should be top tier because thats my main.
You said before that if Sagat isn’t top in Super you’ll just use whoever is. What if Chun ends up top like in “HORSESHIT” 3S? Or better yet, little Sakura?:wow: What will prevail, your pathetic need to feel like a total badass through SF main proxy, or your innate sense of tier whore scrubbery?
I have no use for a weak tool. One might as well use a rusted blade. I find it funny you keep going back to the fact that I’m an unashamed tier whore.
Why does this bother you so much? I have done my fair share as far as making quality threads, sparking interesting discussion and done as much as I can to share knowledge among the Sagat community.
All that be damned though since I admit to being a tier whore.
Lemme tell you something, 99% of the people that use top tiers are tier whores. I’m just one of the few that admit it.
And WTF are you even bring this up for and quoting that post for? That response to that post didn’t have DICK to do with what I just said. Sounds like you are just disgusted that I’m a tier whore. Dude, don’t lose sleep over it. I know I don’t.
Sagat balancing aside… I don’t think a characters appearance or storyline should factor in to his or her usefulness in game. That logic is ridiculous on multiple levels.
Couldn’t agree more with this.
I think this was a rare moment of “touchy-feelyness” on EmblemLord’s behalf 
I know what he means - but if we took storyline into account Akuma, Gouken and Gen should all rip Saggy’s face apart.
But yeah, I’d rather see Sagat as top tier than someone like Sakura or even Claw/Blanka etc.
Cough err, Sagat vs Sagat matches are like Chun Vs Chun matches in 3’s. Boring and very plentiful in occurrences.
Does he really need his full damage off of Ultra in the corner? You can currently get the full Ultra in the corner but you need to use skill to get it. Therefore, I think it should be left the way it is. Reward the players who are able to use the technique to get full Ultra in corner otherwise it should be left the way it is now so that low-tier characters don’t get fucked on this match even further.
In summation, fuck Sagat.
With the lower TU damage and health, I think the small bit of convenience from full corner ultra is warranted.