Yeah, he’d still be very good, but limiting his tk block strings, weakening his ultra, more recovery on tiger shots, and a less effective f+rh is enough to put him below Ryu I’d say.
Depending on how much recovery, how much damage reduction…its POSSIBLE that he could wind up below Ryu…but he would still be top tier…just not the TOP of the top anymore.
IMHO I think Bob Sagat should fight using MUAY THAI techniques, not ‘rock golem style’.
Just think it would make more sense that way… 
It make him about mid tier at worst, I really doubt it would bring him down to ass tier.
I think some of the trade properties need to be fixed.
ie- trading with a move that knocks you down should STILL KNOCK YOU DOWN.
case in point, trading with exHS vs Bison should still knock you down.
Sagat doesn’t need boosts (especially if he gets a new move), but he does need fixes.
EX HS already knocks down on trade against SRK and TU.
Do what you will to Sagat in the new update, Mago will still be unstoppable!
And what’s the problem ? Logicaly, Ryu fought against Sagat and make him a HUGE scar on his chest. So it’s sound logic to me.
Beside of that, i don’t understand your point.
He’d still be a capable character but not as good as Ryu? What I said was straightforward.
Also, story canon has nothing to do with tiers.
a very good read.
if some think it would be too much of a nerf or that Sagat needs to gain something I suggest this.
tiger’s rage :bdp:+PP
~we see him taunt and his chest glows/flashes red
gives his next attack CH properties.
tiger’s eye :bdp:+KK
~we see him taunt and his good eye glows/flashes yellow
give a one time hyper armor until end of his next attack’s active frames or Sagat gets hit;
stacks with Ex hyper armor.
both can cost an ex stock if need be. [so no CH or hyper armor on his Super]
Now… If we’re using SF story lore as support of logical changes…
it has been implied too that…
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Ryu sand bagged in his 1st fight with Sagat and when he appeared [from one eye’s point] to be defeated, Sagat went over to help him up only to get his chest opened by a Metsu SRK from a Ryu consumed by SnH [presumably because he couldn’t beat Sagat]
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SSF4 Ryu 2nd Ultra is Metsu SRK…
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Ryu feels he owes Sagat a fight with his true self in control of his true strength.
agreed on both counts
Yeah yeah, i know. But beside of that, i don’t understand why “Sagat being weaker than Ryu” is a problem.
That’s the reason why I asked you more on that.
give him v-ism
What???
Without safe lk knee sagat loses 50% of his potential up close and with the tiger shots recovery made slower his zoning game would also become a little worse (by any means not a drastic change like no safe tiger knees, but still…).
Damage reduction on ultra also doesn’t make any sense IF they remove the f.rh juggle after a fadc (100 less damage anyways) and IF they remove his TU trade into ultra.
Some of those changes would be ok ALONE, but with them all together sagat becomes mid tier at best.
wow how badly do you seriously suck with sagat to come on srk and make a improvement thread?
I mean, COME ON! hes got everything you could possible want! only neg about him is his speed.
viper too?
You can’t remove TU trade Ultra, its the same as TU FADC Ultra. If you wanted to remove it, you would have to remove the juggle properties of the Uppercut, which would make TU FADC Ultra not work. Trading while uppercutting is the same idea of FADCing an uppercut, you stay grounded while they are juggled.
don’t touch viper !
Except that one is a strategic gameplay feature put in by the devs and the other is a mistake/oversight that rewards slow reflexes and, on top of that, is free w/ no meter.
Trade TU or SRK air resets opponent like a Mexican upper instead of putting them in juggle state. Problem solved.
And how would the game differentiate the two? Here’s a hint, it can’t.
Of course it can; or rather, it’s a check that’s trivial to add: if both players are hit during a frame, make neither one juggleable. Done.