thats such a bitch way out. “Oh why should we spend time making the other characters better? lets just kill the top few characters, hay guyz dis iz balance rabble rabble”
that shit has got to stop. sagat is strong, yes. God? no. you’re not fixing the game by toning him down. toning him down wont make vega suck less or fei long have better combos etc etc.
wake the hell up. everyone’s just like ‘oh nerf sagat’ and they think the game is going to be balanced. yep, dan is going to be high tier if you nerf sagat, right?
I could live with a slight dmg [or even health] nerf if they tweaked him to have a better feel.
sliding start up and recovery frames of T.Shots so LP+LK are easier to follow up while HP+HK are less safe on close block or evades; wider range of speeds too. Make input a half circle so I can still walk forward and T.Shot again or fix srk short cuts… cause i don’t need 'em :angryrazz:
After general dmg nerf (say -5dmg on mp/mk and -10dmg on hp/hk) give two pwrup buffs.
T.Rage :bdp:+P next attack has CH properties. [25% dmg buff and frame adv on 1st hit]
T.Eye :bdp:+K next attack from foe faces hyper armor.
-With respect to input strength, taunt time varies and has 3/5/7 seconds of game clock to use.
-EX lets you stock multiple uses for 10 seconds of game clock.
i was essentially saying “don’t tweak all the characters TO SAGAT’S ABILITY,” of course i’m all for making some of the other characters better, just not “sagat level better”.
here’s what it comes down to: nerf sagat a bit, upgrade the characters that need upgrading a bit.
and shutup about the god thing, one person said and it 12 people jumped on it. we get it: no one is saying he’s god, one idiot did and we think he’s an idiot to. it’s kind of like the obama effect…
I think dont think sagat needs nerfs other chars just need buffs sagat just has a solid design were as some other chars are kinda just there for fan service or coolness and dont seem very competitive
from what was said by ono in his interview the other day, they’re just going to change some of Sagat and Seth’s frames. Dunno exactly what they’ll choose, but I highly doubt Sagat is going to lose that much of his power. Sure, other characters will be getting a little closer in skill, but some ppl here are worrying too much.
wtf? am i reading this right? i’m like… getting out of my element or something because the posts in this thread are actually starting to piss me off.
seriously, are you retarded? sagat is fucking s-tier. he’s better than the rest of the cast, hands down. the dude doesn’t have a single bad matchup. he’s got the best of the best moves and an answer for everything.
your response to all of this is: "sagat just has a solid design? and the other characters are just there for fan service? did you even think before you made that post? sagat isn’t a fucking “solid design”. he has several ways of hitting is ultra, he has amazing special moves, and good normal moves to boot. if he’s a solid design, that means that the rest of the god damned cast is shit or, as you like to call it, fan service.
-may add recovery frames to his hp/hk T.Shots.
-make T.Knee situationally unsafe.
-slow his s.HK startup?
Even if there are a few frame nerfs I’ld like to see All the cast with something extra [even S-tier Sagat] and i’m not talking about the 2nd Ultra [Tiger Raid]
My thing is that if Sagat is getting a frame nerf, it likely means so is Ryu [if not Gief and Gouki] :wonder: maybe they will trade frame data on Ken and Ryu’s similar normals.
man, I got faith in Capcom. Will certain characters still be OP? Probably. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rufus ends up leading the pack (aside from one of the newer characters) in SSFIV. Sagat will still be top tiered though.
If anything, I can see his fireballs recovery frames tweaked, and f+HK will almost guaranteed see changes.
I am trying to figure out whether or not they will truly tinker with Tiger Knee. On one hand, his tiger knee traps seem OP vs a lot of the cast (against Bison, his best bet is to just take it all, and try to teleport or dash back). Yet I feel if they toy with it too much, it could weaken Sagat overall.
well we can expect to see that ultra glitch all fixed up for sure. Ithey will fix that roundhouse. But other then that he may get better which is what i expect. But cant base it all of tiers… last i check sanford beat diago twice at SB4 with cammy and what is she ranked?
Buffing ALL the characters to Sagat’s level will cause MORE problems than solve. You want to introduce NEW frame data to 97% of the cast just to balance 1 character??? Isn’t that ass backwards?
Sure you can buff all the characters to put them in line with Sagat but how does that put them in line with EACH OTHER?
For example what makes Sagat stronger than Rufus is not the same with other characters. And buffing certain Rufus tools so he can match up with Sagat can cause balancing issues with Rufus vs X character.
The whole ‘dont nerf at all but just buff everyone’ is such a kindergarten approach to game design.
Accept it. Nerfing is much of a part of balancing as buffing. They are BOTH ESSENTIAL.
The biggest difference is buffing is more popular with the mass because it sounds more positive.
It’s more popular because it essentially means creating a new game. If every character gets at least 1 new special (which it sounds like may happen :wgrin:) then everything changes completely.
If EX Tiger shot does less damage… great. Fun. Cool. I’ll just play Juri and learn some new shite.
Buffing doesn’t have to mean “more special moves”.
It usually just means that you tweak things like frame data, dmg output, juggle properties, etc…
You could easily buff guile by letting him combo lk flash into ultra, fixing a few of his rather disappointing hitboxes and giving his jab one less frame of recovery so that his stable BnB was not a one frame link.
Do those things and guile goes from bottom tier to solid mid or upper mid…no new specials, no game breaking changes, just a few tweaks.
Plus : Sagat player who FEAR the buff, fear it cause they rely way too much on his overpowered Gplay rather than their skill.
Skilled Player have nothing to worry about cause they’ll find a way.
tribaL, chillout man. Youre gonna give yourself an aneurysm arguing with people who arent even worth the time.
Im confident in saying that half of the people that are bitching about Sagat getting a slight nerf are people who arent even REALLY using the cheap shit Sagat has.
-2 linked f+rh’s
-the ability to combo 2 TS’s into each other
-playing footsies with a dp.
-shit, all his karas, really. They have dumb range.
-not that Sagat jumps much but wth is with that j.mp?
-etc.
Capcom will probably only tinker with a few of those things. Im thinking remove f+rh juggle (im slightly bummed for this because even though i hate getting hit with it, that grunt is gdlk, and this certainly means i wont get to hear it much), add a few frames to TS and TK, and do something with his kara range. I dont think they’ll completely ditch his karas since they are a big part of his game but i def think they will nerf range or something. Getting footsied with a dp is just fucking gay.
Doing those things wont make Sagat a bad character but certainly fixes some of his cheap shit.
People are getting all antsy for no reason. You know hes not getting the “sean” treatment and will still remain top tier. With a game this balanced, there can only be slight nerfs/buffs without completely fucking it up.
I already know Sagat is gonna get nerfed to hell and when he does all the haters will just feel sorry for him. They just gonna say holy shit wtf did they do to the king?!
It always happens when top tiers get the shit nerfed out of them.
id rep u if I could parabellum. I agree, and highly doubt you’ll see many new characters get higher up in the rankings (although I think Chun Li and Guile and Ken could surprise a few ppl). Sagat will still likely have the same tools. So you MAY not be able to TU, FADC, F+HK, Ultra…but u’ll still be able to do it without the F+HK. And tiger shots will still be a force to be reckoned with.
The way I see it, more characters will just get air specials to deal with SRKs and more buffs than Sagat will get, but all in all, he will still be a beast
) and just answer you honestly: I do not expect Sagat to get nerfed.