I messed around with Sagat a little today and uh…he doesn’t seem all that bad in Super IMO ^_^; Of course I didn’t get to play much but he just doesn’t seem all that nerfed…
Sagat is going to be fine no doubt.
As others have said the TK nerf is my biggest gripe, I was a tk trap addict, but no more. It sure make my pressure game a ton weaker now. Ya cannon seems awesome thus far, I landed an aa tu into ultra against Gen, have not tried it against others yet, ill give up some damage to have more options to land ultra. I have been getting raped by Akuma’s , this matchup alone points out all the nerfs done to Sagat, if you think vanilla and super sagat are the same play this matchup.
Played Javits’ Rog just awhile ago online. We had fun matches. You CAN use TK to pressure you just better make sure your shit is on point. And don’t go beyond 2 reps IMO. Otherwise you are asking for trouble. Also I’m using lk tk alot more. Easier to hit just with the tip of the knee and push them out so they can’t attempt to jab me or grab me.
Btw Sagat vs Rog is even. 6/4 my ASS. Sagat’s tools haven’t changed really. Stand short cancel loss isn’t that noticeable just use other shit. What makes it even is Sagat’s damage nerfs. That’s it. You can still punish TAP’s and dash punches on reaction if you are good enough. But once Rog gets in Sagat has a hard time. It’s the same match as vanilla really. A bit harder to rushdown, but Sagat can still murder Rog’s wake-up.
So what changes have you guys made to your play?
EX TU still does a good 200 dmg, so I’m using it in place of HP TUs for antiair and BnBs when I have meter. With no meter I think you’re stuck with HP TU for combos in general. If you are in close though you should do cr. MP xx HK Knee (btw cr. MP is more dmg than cr. MK now) even if you have meter for EX TU. Don’t FADC TU unless you are getting out of pressure or landing ultra. The damage doesn’t add up.
Straight ultra still seems better than combo into ultra after a crumple stun.
I haven’t made much use of Angry Scar yet. For the same meter you can just use EX TU. Step Kick, Scar, EX TU looks good but it’s too situational. How hard is st.HK xx Scar, Ultra?
Also, anyone have trouble landing HK Knee after TU backdash FADC? Didn’t seem to reach for me.
i believe some1 said that it only worked on counter hit
I use AS if I’m just sitting on 3 bars or more. It’s good for when you have bar and have nothing better to do with it. The AS animation is good for messing up people’s rhythm. Say if they jump at you and you see it early or they dash at you. Stuff like that. For combos If I already have it stocked I’ll just do step kick to TU for great damage. The fancy shit is cool and all but not super practical and often times unnecessary. EX TU is more then enough for ground combos and does more damage.
I think as long as you are nailing AS TU off your step kick or you are charging AS when you have plenty of bar then you are in good shape with AS. I will still master the fancy shit though cuz hey, never know when it will come in handy and I wanna push my technical limits as a player.
This will be tougher for us Cyborg since we both play on pad hahahaha, then again so does Alioune.
Did they change the recovery on tiger shots? I dunno if it’s just the TV I’m using, but tiger shots definitely feel different from vanilla. I’ve also been flubbing kara tiger shots in super for some reason.
Tiger shot recovery feels the same to me. I am messing up kara shots more so maybe that timing is tighter.
Ya I agree EL, from the P1 side my hk karas werent best executed now having to be more precise.
Yeah 5-5 is right . Sagat is better then i thought he was after getting some good time in with the game. Interesting to see how people manage their AS and how they implement in in their games.Also kara Ts timing is exactly the same, you just need to learn the timing for the new stages when the ts leaves the screen.
Seriously guys Sagat is in good shape. I predict he will have maybe 3 bad match-ups at the most. Other high chars like Rufus, Rog, Cody etc have way more bad match-ups then him.
Sagat will be fine.
I thought he would be screwed till I found out EVERYONE was nerfed. Now, I’m not worried about him anymore.
Here’s some more changes I noticed. Sorry if any of this is old or obvious.
Normal TUs get a damage boost on glancing blows (in vanilla it would get reduced), i.e. if it connects late in the animation, like when he’s just about off the ground and later. It does 130, 140, and 160 for LP, MP, and HP TU respectively, close to his old TUs! No such boost for EX TU or Angry Scar TUs. It might be better to go for normal TU anitair over EX if you can get it early.
His FA3 has a noticeable pause now before the strike. I’m not sure if it’s the chargeup time is longer or the strike is slower.
EX TU to U1 seems easy now, even if you start from the ground.
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i dont understand why they out the reg fireball juggle after a TU fadc, its not like it was op
Another reason to like U2!
so which matchups are you still using U1 for? I haven’t really been getting out as much with ssf4, been hitting the lab and just having some fun casuals with folks from the community.
I haven’t played a decent honda yet but can’t wait to test out if U2 is good against him. :bgrin:
I havent used U1 at all yet. By the way Ultra 2 works on block against T.Hawk’s dive, Hondas hp headbut, blanka ball, vegas sky claw, thus far all that i have really tested against.
im your decent honda, add me
Because it was unnecessary and retarded?