Sagat vs Dhalsim is now in yogas favor
Forgot about Sim. That’s probably Sim’s favor now, but it’s nothing like the Gouki match-up. Sim just has better zoning now and since Gat is worse up close Sim ends up taking it, but the match still seems close and the stronger play will take the win. It’s not a blow out.
EL just wondering hve you got your hands on SSf4 yet ? or played the game yet?? Sagat has alot of match ups which used to be 5-5 and even 6-4 which are now 4-6. eg. boxer (prob 5-5) , dhalsim , possibly guile , akuma .
boxer wasn’t 5-5 in vanilla, yo. It will probably be 5-5 now, but I wouldn’t call it 6-4 so soon. I mean, seriously.
He always lost to Gouki so he still loses here. Boxer, no. That’s even now. He loses to Sim. He probably loses to Viper too. Guile is closer to even, But Sagat is still better overall.
Last time i played it the Boxer match has changed considerably.I dont think you realise just how much your gonna have to change to use Sagat to a high level in super. Pop on arrival have you played super?
At this point I’m might not even use him. My fighting style was molested with the added recovery to TK and it’s very hard to sustain a legit rushdown now.
That said Rog still has his horrible wake-up. That will keep the match even. One knockdown means Rog could lose alot of life trying to deal with Sagat’s onslaught.
are the changes really that noticeable with the TK stuff? I didn’t really have anyone to play against, so I just tooled around with Sagat in training mode. It didn’t even occur to me that they would think of changing TK properties after the s.lk nerf.
Oh well, hope we can get some solid frame data soon.
I would say a well spaced knee blocked low probably leaves Sagat at +1 MAYBE +2 at the ABSOLUTE most. If they block it high I would say he will usually be at -2 to even as bad as -4. Some of my knees that were spaced well but not perfect were getting punished by grabs when they were blocked high. Shit sucked.
But even IF you do hit them with a perfectly placed knee, im talking even if you Lk kara mk knee over guile ex sonic boom from nearly full screen… the last hit now does 30 damage. Blocked tk’s did more then that in vanilla. Im not liking the Boxer match in super at all… not one bit.
Yup. Hence why I said…I might not even play him. They did things to him that I didn’t forsee. He will still be good cuz this is Super Tame Fighter 4 where all the chars are straight ass, but this shit just sucks.
Yo Rose is top tier. Jump on that Bono Rose.
So now everyone of his matches is a bit harder. Wow big deal, either embrace his tools and work around his nerfs or drop him. I’m keeping him as my main regardless even if honda does more damage then me now and headbutts go over low tigershots LOL. He still is fun to play and when I play with him people still go jesus christ he’s still strong(angry faces)
so after playing around with him
sagat is going to be all around the angry scar setups and shenanigans. his dmg has been ridiculously nerfed.
i use abel as an alt and i was playing with my friend who is also a sagat player
i think the abel vs sagat match up is now in abels favor…it was close in vanilla with sagat with the slight edge, but abel’s damage largely remains unchanged and with sagat’s dmg nerfs and s.lk nerf…its gonna be hard for sagat to keep abel, or anyone for that matter, out
See that’s what I’m saying. Certain match-ups rushdown was preferred over zoning. Abel was one of those matches. Sagat could outfootsie Abel, outzone him and he could rush him down once Abel had Ultra. Get a knockdown and you could end the match FAST. But now…I dunno.
I use Sagat often. But I wont in SSF4. The nerfs are to bad. But I wont stop playing, when I feel like playing Sagat, I just play SF4(PC version).
This may sound retarded but everyone should stop using him until capcom make him the king again.
I have fought very good sagats and it is hard, very hard to beat him. but I still dont think they should nerf him.
Lik I said match-up wise he will still be good. I don’t see him having any matches worse then 4/6 slight disadvantage. I see other chars like duds for example definitely have 3/7 match-ups and more 4/6’s then Gat as well. So by default Sagat will still be top 3.
But that…sucks. He’s not even THAT amazing. He 's just good cuz this game is so tame.
i think people who have strong upclose games and strong normals will give sagat a lot of trouble now
chun abel rog etc etc
I can see him losing to Abel 4/6. I definitely think Chun and Rog are probably even, but time will tell.
Easily the dumbest thing I’ve read on here in a while… and this is SRK.