But…that’s not what he’s about. He’s a zoning character.
Do we all agree on that?
I agree. What about U2? Its weak but seems to have fast start-up. As for spacing, he was already pretty much perfect. I mean kara-TS for increased pressure and kara-TU for increased jump-in punish range? Beastly.
Sagat info:
God where to start?
- All normals are weaker.
- If you do early non scar TU, it will do 170 damage. If you do late non scar TU, it does 100 damage. Also early non scar TU seems to have alot of priority to.
- SCAR TU does 180 damage
- SCAR EX TU does 240 damage
- EX TU still does 200 dmg
- EX TE still does 180 damage, so does the rest of the TE, but the first hit is very strong and the second one is weak.
- The heavy kick, first hit does 80 dmg(you can cancel it), second hit do 40 damage. So now it is a weak anti air.
- f. hk does 100 dmg
- Tiger Distruction does 500 damage
- Second ultra is bad, you can combo it but it wiffs, there is no way to get all the hits of it in combo.
whats the requirement to get the full damage of TU anyway? Like do they have to be way high up in the air to get the 170, or does their feet just have to be off the ground?(like would it do full damage against a blanka ball for example.)
also, is it possible to FADC a full damage TU?
Has anyone posted this yet? If so, my apologies. I think all matches are Sanford Kelly (Sagat) vs. Sabin (Dhalsim). Dhalsim can actually do some damage now since almost all of his normal attacks have been buffed in damage by at least 10 pts. and his U2 (aerial throw that grabs standing and crouching opponents but not airborne ones) is a threat to Sagat’s Tiger Shots and focus attacks. Dhalsim’s EX Yoga Fire is faster, has a bigger hitbox, and travels through the entire stage too.
I’m actually liking Angry Scar a lot!!
Fwd RH into Hk kara TU does around 335 damage and gives you soooooo much more range. Even if you hit a really far fwd roundhouse kara TU will hit if in AS. Doing that canceled into tiger destruction leads to around 583 i believe.
His ultra II isn’t “bad” it’s just different than his first. Ultra two can be comboed with just 1 ex bar giving yourself more options and also it’s fast as fuck!!! I could do it on reaction to Honda’s ex headbutt from around half - 3/4 screen and it would either trade or win!!!
The nerf i probably am annoying with the most is TK not being as safe. I forgot about that a lot while playing last night.
Just watch out cause dudley can dash through it if his timing is good enough.
Enemy Jumps
f.hk >** Angry scar kara EX TU** >** Ultra I** does 614 damage. And its only two EX. It dont work on all characters, but it does on Ryu exemple.
Early non scar TU does 160 damage if it is anti air, and when you do it early, it never trade. Sometimes it does, when it do, just do another scar kara TU.
Is his st lk even safe now that it hits twice?
So a safe tiger knee is not safe anymore?
you just can’t abuse it like in vanilla. the frame advantage is gone i believe and it leaves you at the same. So whoever throws out a faster poke wins i guess. I could be wrong since i don’t have access to the frame data though but that’s how it felt.
his standing lk is actually not bad since it can fuck up Force Attacks due to it being 2 hits. : )
oh and Adon is hot garbage!!! fuck getting grabbed out of rising jaguar(and getting destroyed by jumps ins) and every jaguar tooth whether its EX or normal gets stuffed by standing jab. Yeah Sagat is my boy for super. Just can’t wait to take him to the lab when i get my own copy!!!
so what other nerfs are confirmed so far with him?
any secret nerfs that werent mentioned?
Its possible to do Fwhk , then AS , then TU in the corner atleast.Managed to pull off on hakan , jumping Hk crouching fierce punch crlp low ts FADC crlk crmp x AS x crlp TU. Flashy as hell and costs 3 bars but about 430 damage.
did anyone manage to find out what tune Alioune used in his vid ?
found it : Dynamic vs. Eskimo - Time To Get Serious
Sagat actually needs improvement nao lol
yeah tiger knee trap doesnt work as well, and lk not canceleable at the tip pissed me off.
thing is, its cool. To the people saying U2 is garbage u guys just dont know how amazing that shit is. Zoning wise, they cannot jump on u (theres a few traps u can develop now!) its a far fireball punisher, and its great against Goukis tk ex fireball . They wont be locking u down so easily anymore.
He will own the new cast with his zoning tools. yes they deal less damage, and nothing will beat the damage and hp he was dealing in OG sf4 (desole Alioune, mais pas aussi puissant).
And trade upper into rh is easy, not strict at all. Be thankfull ure not Ryu, terrible what they did to his shoryu (it loses cleanly often, and if trades, not in his favor. He will need to resort to Mexican Uppercut / cr fierce)
Ryu’s mp dp is his best dp now.
Mike tyson the second ultra isn’t bad. Its practically better than the first one. Has faster startup andand he can combo it off full screen tiger shot juggles.
Nice info otherwise though.
Sagat straight up is second best now. Gouki took the that number 1 spot, but Sagat does not need to fear the new cast at all as far as I can tell. Maybe that will change, but from Sagat’s basic design he is still a beast. Despite getting nerfed the hardest and I think that’s a testament to how truly monstrous the king really is. He will still lose to Gouki which kinda sucks and he probably has slight disadvantage to Viper now or maybe not since her BK’s are slightly worse so it might still be even. Actually most Vipers called that Gat’s fight in Vanilla so now I would say it’s even in Super now and at worst slight advantage to Viper. He has more even match-ups now for sure. I would say Rog is probably even and if anyone doubted if Sagat vs Ryu was even in Vanilla it’s probably even now or just closer then 6/4. Vs Ken I would think is a little closer to even since he got what he needed in this game.
Basically Sagat doesn’t steam roll niggas as badly, but match-up wise he is still a great/safe choice.
so you’re switching mains?
How about Sim? I think Sim is gonna give Sagat a lot of trouble with all his buffed normals, safe drill, and easy Ultra 2 off of any mistimed tiger shot. The matchup was already fairly close to begin with in vanilla. And I think it’s too early to speculate how the old cast will fare against the new characters.