hold up, there are people who think trade/ultra and standing lk cancel are why sagat is a powerhouse in this game? oh lordy lordy lordy. he’d still dominate a fuckton of the cast in vanilla 4 without them.
what makes you laugh? 
Hey Ricky, there is a debate over on the Honda thread about the Sagat match in SSF4. I don’t see it changing much, but some people feel headbutt over low Tiger is a big deal. Only thing I see changing is Honda now has a viable option to sit on a lead and not eat chip damage or play dodge ball, otherwise the match remains similar and Honda has to take the fight to Sagat until he gets that lead (and a decent one at that) - What do you think? Also does that U2 for Sagat punish HP headbutt on block - looks fast enough from the videos?
Off topic I played a Ryu player called Chocollilo the other day from Spain - is he a friend of yours?
Ricky don’t forget the Middle East. One of the biggest thing I was worried about was the kara TU, and it being 100 damage, but anti-air wise it’s 160 and 200 for AS TU, so it’s all good.
While that stuff is very interesting, I don’t see how it will make Super Sagat better than SF4 Sagat.
Akuma and nothing but for me.
In this case, isn’t it possible to throw a slow low tiger shot, wait for the Honda to pass over it, and TU on reaction?
No - I tested it last week and HP/EX headbutt on reaction will still hit Sagat as the recovery is not fast enough. What might work for Sagat is to potentially bait Honda with a low Tiger, FADC backdash and then TU or just block and kara TU punish (but I have only come across a few people that can kara punish everytime). Probably not the best use of 2 bars but if the Honda is being patient/dry and just sitting full screen away then this might be a way to get him to do something. Only reason i say potentially on the backdash thing is the headbutt might still get Sagat during the recovery frames of the dash - would be interesting if someone tested this. Then again can Sagat still Kara punish Hondas HP and MP headbutts - maybe they changed the recovery for Honda - would be a good buff, but I doubt it has happened?
OR…just rush Honda down like a fucking champ.
Your main will be number 1 and I don’t see him having any bad match-ups with this weakened roster. That’s a slightly different scenario.
Lol - I would happily face rushdown Sagat than stay away/kara beast Sagat any day of the week.
Haha nothing ricky im just trolling , Im hopefully gna have a 360 for SSf4 so im gna make sure I add you and have some sets against your gat. Infexious tells me youv improved alot,was a while ago tho.
Also…niggas was really arguing with Trag?
Really?
Dude is a fuckin primordial OG on SRK.
BTW Trag is 100% correct. Losing one of the BEST footsie tools in the game is HUGE and he didn’t get anything to replace it in that regard from what we have seen. He will not be as good as his vanilla self. based on what we know and have seen unless Alioune has some footsie shit to show us.
If you want to play me I have PS3, In fact I played with Ryan H. a lot there
PSN: Ricky_TTT
RickyTTT:… Play me please. lolololol. Wait ur from Spain?..ah balls.
Hey Tamana! I dont know if you can punish headbutt with u2, ask alioune 
I was supossed to receive my original copy today, but siince that crappy volcano cloud, I wont get it until monday 
so just wait and see…
Yes chocolillo is a close friend! and really really potential player
Cheers Ricky. I will ask Alioune, but I can imagine he has been hammered with questions so I won’t blame him if he ignores it lol.
Remember that cr.mk has good range, is not the same as st.lk but can do the job… it has good priority, and maybe it is one of the forgotten moves that people didnt use, if you watch mago recent stuff he used it a lot more
Maybe we can get 3 bars I have DSL Cable
No doubt , Sagat has moves to help him in that regard. Not just low forward, but his FA, stand jab, and low fierce all have good range. But nothing quite as good as the utility combined with the range of stand shrot. Is he helpless in footsies without it? Heavens no. But the threat level has gone down. People won’t be afraid to whiff low pokes all day and punishing whiffs will be more of a chore.
Care to link to vids where Mago uses cr.mk?
outside of this comparing sf4 sagat to ssf4 sagat debate, i actually really like these changes, and sagat is potentially looking really fun and interesting- capcom is delivering on most of SSF4 balance changes imo (still waiting to see if rufus is still as braindead)
im not a great player by any means but i actually want to try sagat in SSF4 and i was not at all interested in using him before.