Side note, am I the only one who thinks cr.lk takes off more damage? Maybe my eyes are deceiving me though…
i hope sagat is a big threat in ae i main him in ssf4 and like using him. vanilla is so dead 
Here comes one of my rare posts hahah. I know a lot of people haven’t played ae so i figured id drop some first hand info on sagat. I have been playing ae for about a week now but most of my focus has been on yun 1st yang 2nd and sagat 3rd. Sagat is better thats pretty clear. Sanford and I were playing the other night and he said he kinda feels tiger shots are changed. More recovery i think he said on high shot? I did a lot of messing with tiger knee and it feels pretty good at the correct distance. The old block strings from vanilla work in cookie dough (aka a.e.) into tiger knee. Obviously not the ones with far max range standing short though. down short2x standing jab short tk is fine though. Or down medium punch. Down medium kick medium tk was working good also against bison when spaced right. You just cant get all willy knilly with them though cause you will be punished. Its not abusable like vanilla but they are here in cookie dough. Tiger uppercut is good now. Damage is distinguishable. Its really worth just always having angry scar stored for good measure. Trade tu fwd rh ultra works on twins also
You need need need to press buttons with sagat now. st medium kick, st short, st roundhouse, dwn fierce are good tools to keep them respecting your space.
Don’t get too happy Tiger Slap. I Bet money Viper still craps all over Sagat.
No doubt, I just don’t even find that match up fun. If her thunder knuckles didn’t break armor it would be much easier but they do so what can ya do(lol)
Gat doesn’t even have options. The match is fuckin sad. I mean even in Vanilla she neutralized his options, but he could settle for guessing because he slightly outdid her in terms of damage. And in the end it was an even match but Gat could still get randomed out by vortex. In Super I think the match is worse then Gat vs Gouki. Gat at least has answers to Goukis stuff. Vs Viper it’s just an exercise in frustration.
What? You guys still have problems with viper? Don’t you guys know the new OS against viper that works wonders?
At the start of the match when a viper player apears you :
Press start, go to the select menu and pick different character.
Works wonders.
vs. Viper one of your few options on wakeup is to focus>dash her burning kick and grab, or just pray.
Sounds like youv been losing to a viper player…Tbh this match up is not that bad… its frustrating yes… but worse then akuma??? lol. Ive played top vipers since vanilla and now play them regularly on ssf4 ( fasol, otogi matsuri, yagami)
Sagats tall hitbox can make burn kicks a pain on wake up… and being in the corner is a pain and makes it harder to block because they become very ambiguous…but other then that … its not really in vipers favour. On knockdown she is free and can be option selected to death… there are strings on wakeup (safe 2 hit tigerknee set up on stand or crouch after meaty crlk from right spacing) that makes all Thunderknuckles whiff or beat clean and all her reversals get beat and it beats backdash… plus her health is low … I know the match up is harder in ssf4 but I think that tiny nuiscance of damage etc will be sorted out in AE. Theres alot more… Delayed cr.mp or TU on her wakeup… kara uppercut her burning kicks from distance…
Get a knockdown and try focus dashing her BK. learn OS after fwd throw and regular KD.My write ups arent godlike but ill post a video showing top vipers getting beat by Sagat
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I have lost to Vipers sure, but the frustration comes from me just not knowing what to do. Like when I lost to Gouki’s I immediately figured out what Sagat could do in those scenarios so it didn’t bother me as much when I lost because at least I knew the match. The Viper match feels so much less straight foward so it’s like a puzzle I can’t quite break, probably because she isn’t a traditional character.
A few things I remembered from testing while feeling myself last night
*The distance to cancel standing RH is the same. Tried cr. short cr. short RH, wasn’t able to cancel at that distance.
*I really can’t help but emphasize there’s something different with the hitbox on the uppercut. I’m still being able to uppercut from the opponent’s hitboxes that are behind the actual uppercut, but when doing an uppercut to chip out an opponent, a wakeup U1 from Makoto and Yang were able to go into complete animation and beat it out while it appears to be active.
learn to zone her out, sagat can win this at distant range and zone her out, if viper siesmo game is beating your t shots game your garbage lol, once she manage to get close or a knockdown, you better be ready to BLOCK them bs mix ups, so learn to BLOCK her bs,
the match up is def on vipers favor, 1 knockdown from her can be a nightmare for sagat , or 1 random ex siesmo can turn the tide of the match, but
it honestly it comes down to how strong your defense is, good defense can easily frustrate most vipers, then they will eventually make mistakes trying to open you up, then once you score a knockdown take advantage of it, she really doesnt have much wake up option
playing vs viper is fun and bullshit at the same time, lol (mostly bs tho),
sounds like you need to learn to block sometimes
I seem to have a tougher time with viper than akuma too, just like emblemlord… ><
The vortex can definetely be a pain though… I guess it depends on how well you can block and shit, on your wakeup 
. Viper’s got the ambiguous burn kicks, and akuma’s got the vortex…
So do I, and it has nothing to do with blocking…
It’s just such an awkward match-up, it’s like it doesn’t even belong.
Though Akuma vs Sagat is tough, Sagat has an answer for everything Akuma dishes out and Akuma’s vortex is far easier to predict than Vipers for me.
I play with great Vipers and they always find ways to connect with U1 off combos, cross ups etc, that is incredibly tough for Sagat to also deal with(imo). Akuma’s U1 is virtually a non-factor in the fight.
Tiger Slap who u play with? The vipers
since im not too far from u LOLOL. I play with Aerials , but blitzman is also good if you know em .
ps, i still owe u some sparring huh… hahaha
That’s a good description of how I feel for Viper, too. But I also feel that way about good sakuras, and no one else seems to worry much about her. DONNO MAN
Used to have problems against a really good sakura in my area.
Till one day i decided to zone the fuck out of her when shes meterless.
Yeah dog, its another one of those keep her out matches… Or like fucking gg for sagat basically hahaha. I can see the frustration in this match too . Not a good sakura around my area tho, thank god… LOL
So can anyone confirm if tiger shot was changed? Some people say its the same while others say its more recovery.
Sakura?
Knock her ass down. It’s fucking over.