The sandy vag’s have arrived.
Hey Art good to see you having a good time over there as well as leveling up :tup:
My question is this other then Daigo how are the Ryu players over there? I mean I watch the videos and all but I know that seeing and playing them is a whole other experience. Plus by me being a Ryu player I am always watching to see what other things are being done other then the basic zoning and baiting tactics.
The Japan suck-off is especially annoying since it’s mostly coming from know-nothing, do-nothing '09ers.
Again… just get off your knees and play.
Find me an arcade around here that doesnt cost me 20 bucks to get to everyday and maybe i will. =/ Im fucking tired of messing up my ability to pull off 1 frame links offline because i have to hit them a split second earlier online because of lag. Id really like to actually learn to play this game instead of learning how to bait scrubs into throwing off an SRK and punishing.
fyi, japanese players almost always pay 100y per game, and that amounts to about $1usd a game. And then spend hours on end pouring money into arcades. it’s a level of dedication that most non-japanese players simply don’t have the time or money to do. When I say most I’m including the CE grinding online scrubs that have no clue what they’re doing.
honestly if japanese players have any edge over us/canada is that their player base is massive, and they’re all willing to pour money endlessly into the sf4 cabs. Anyone with enough experience/practice can get a deeper understanding of the game and how you should play. It’ll take alot longer if you didn’t have a mentor that actually explains it to you, but the game isn’t so complex that you can’t learn it properly if you put in the time.
I dunno man. Costs me $20 to get to my arcade and spend $1 a game. When it first came out I think I was there… 4x a week? I used to live in manhattan, then I started my masters program so I quit my job, but my school is located on the upper west side of manhattan so I would use school as an excuse to hit up the arcade.
If I drive in it’s like $8 in gas then parking… if I take the train its $7-8 each way, plus subway back and forth to the train is $2.50 x2. And in the very beginning I don’t think I won a single match for like the first 3 months, this is my first fighter.
But now when I go (rarely, the scene is now about sessions at peoples cribs) I pop in a dollar and go 13-20 straight on average.
I understand the level of dedication and money they pour into it, but still. I just cant afford to do it. I do know how much a hundred en is by the way. >.> I like to think 4 years of japanese taught me something. No matter how bad the teacher was.
Japanese player base isn’t massive. The player density is. Everybody is close meaning it’s like every arcade is a CTF or SVGL.
Dedication argument I have to agree with though. I’m not rich by any means but have poured in a lot of money towards SF4 playing at the arcade and traveling to tournaments. Probably hit the $1000 mark back in June. No complaints from me about how much it costs really. The cost of getting better is worth it in my eyes if you wanna be a competitor, especially if you’re relatively new to the FG scene.
Think of it this way. Do you honestly have the right to say I should be better than players who spend 5-6 days of the week, probably amounting to 10-20 hours of their whole week, playing in an arcade against people just as dedicated as them? I can’t say that. I’m pretty happy about being better than most US players, but the work and time invested to reach Grand Master level of your respected character is a really big leap I’m still working on. First thing imo that America should do is eliminate counter-picking. It’ll just screw you over in the long run I’m pretty sure.
I really have no clue why we still counter pick. Thats baffled me for ages. If you try to counterpick someone who knows their matchups you will get your ass kicked anyways.
Playground legen: This is seriously your first fighter?
ding da da ding ding we have a winnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
That’s not really true at all. Japanese players have counter picked @ Evo as well. ST in general is filled with counter picks, and soon enough SF4 probably will be too. Gief alone shuts down a lot of characters. Regardless of whether or not it makes you a better player, you can’t really question how effective it is.
Super Turbo is a game of bad match ups. I cant tell you how angry i get at that game sometimes as a blanka player. x_X
What a nice way to end my tiring as fuck day, by getting perfected by Sabin’s sim. ROFL GGs nonetheless. I know jack about that matchup to be honest, except that i can FA your limbs haha. I have no clue how to deal with the teleportz0r. :/.
I wonder how Shiro(or any other good abels) handle your sim though. Since i recalled you said before that a few people who were giving you problems one of them being shiro’s abel (not sure whether he raped you or not)…
edit: AC Revenger and Ver instead of shiro
Art said AC Revenger messes him up while Ver is somewhat difficult and Shiro is not hard.
Match-ups in ST are ridiculously bad and the game is literally based off 1 mistake sometimes. As an example, Honda is 100% fucked in ST against ryu when he’s corner trapped against fierce fireballs. You can’t do shit. Just walk away or give up that round. Bison is 100% effed against Honda when he’s stuck in an oicho loop cause you have a 1 frame window to escape and 1 frame windows are ridiculously small. But Bison can still beat anybody in the game simply cause he can kill you in one combo pretty much. Game’s just random like that. O.Sagat vs Blanka? Just give up at select screen. Wait no, cause you can land that one lucky combo and pull off a win. See what I’m getting at?
Great thread Art…glad to hear you’re living it up out there in Japan.
Q: what’s been the best thing you’ve eaten over there so far
Q: when do you come back? and if you could stay there, how long would you want to stay?
On another note, I saw you up at UP a few months back and was gonna say hi, but guess I got a little intimidated. I was outside talking with nerdjosh. Next time i’ll have to say whattup.
On the subject of match up balance and randomness in super turbo, is HD remix really any different in the end? I have the game on my 360 but i havent really delved into the game at all.
I wish i knew anything that can help the Abel sim match. I really have no idea how abel can manage to keep him pinned. Try crouching medium kick or something
I liked clay fighter:smile:
[silence]…what?
I don’t pretend I’m pro at this game or anything but I was a pro RTS player, warcraft being my bread and butter, so I learn games quickly. First thing I do is figure out the rules, parameters, objective to win. How to win effectively and efficiently, and pick the strongest character / rts strongest race and strategy for particular match ups / maps.
What’s funny about this community is if you pick a strong character you’re a douche bag. Whereas in rts it’s all about winning. No one cares if you’re the best player of the worst race in an rts, they only care about who’s the best player - the guy who wins the most. Either you’re on that new abusive shit, or you’re getting abused. That’s why I laugh when I hear people whine about sagat. I’m like… dummy you shoulda picked him instead of fei long. Why are you trying to work so hard? Like it’s my fault you purposely went out of your way to make it harder for yourself to win, then I have to hear you cry about it. That shit wouldn’t fly in rts. You’d get laughed at and called a pussy. Then someone would steal your lunch money and throw your book bag out of the window of the school bus.
A lot of it has to with people developing these sentimental attachments to inanimate fictional characters which are merely pixels displayed on a monitor. I’ve been playing rts (stopped recently but was playing) since warcraft orcs and humans 1994. That means I was 9 years old when I started. That’s a long time ago, long enough to develop a bond. I liked the different races but I wasn’t particularly “attached” to any of them. That shit is mad feminine
Hey clay fighter is no joke. That game has potential.
On the note of picking high tiers, dont listen to all of the people giving you shit for picking sagat. Its just a bunch of people trying to brand some sort of samurai code onto a competitive game. >.> You pick whatever character you like/can take you furthest.
Do you live in japan?
I don t know if you realise what grand master means.
believe me being grand master is not something easy. After 1 year playing quiet a lot i m still far from just being master.
beating grand master or master is possible and easy, but to do it consistantly enough to have your bp going up and moreover not lose against the 20/30 KBP player that will eat your bp, this is the hard part.
any way , I saw some guy from 7 island and it seems they were going to shibuya. yuuru was not going there so I know sabin that you couldn t play him.
but you must have played against 1 grand master rufus and 1 grand master zanghief and may be one 25 KBP claw.
how was it?
The only negative of rushing to pick a top tier character is that not everybody can adopt the playstyle of certain characters. If you don’t understand fireball zoning and proactive setups, you will never be that great with shotos/sagat. Choosing a fireball character will hating fireballs is something I see a lot of which is incredibly dumb. Even ken uses fireballs, although for different purposes, despite his fireball being pretty average or even below average.
It just so happens that top tier characters in this game all have fireballsm, high dmg output and very abusable ultras (cept akuma).
I know what grand master means. It means you’re consistently winning enough against good players (or at least high bp players) and constantly playing. It also signifies top 50 bp in Japan. You don’t have to be a GM to beat a GM because they’re just players, but usually grand masters play well consistently meaning they’re high caliber players. When I said reach grand master level, I meant it as knowing match-ups well enough, having good enough execution with that character, and playing consistently enough to constantly win games/matches/tournaments, not literally cause america doesn’t have a card system (that’d be sick if they did tho…).