Dictator is simple but effective. I was discussing this with a friend last night. He was in training mode messing with Sagat and Rufus, I was watching him try out different tricks/juggles that he hadn’t really perfected yet. I just made the comment that when I go in training mode with Dictator all I do is practice BnB execution cause he has no tricks like that lol.
Yeah simple but effective don’t mean high or top tier. I would say he’s only slightly better than Blanka at most overall just due to his ability to force high priority moves on people and the fact that his BnB’s create knockdowns. Which is a step up from Blanka but not enough to make him scary. His headstomp technically isn’t as good as his ST one (easier to move away from) and his devil reverse doesn’t do much more than stall the match out more than it sets him up for anything with big damage potential.
Whatever tricks you learn with Bison lead to low damage BnB’s at best and u still can’t hit anyone with your Ultra unless you trick the person into getting hit by it. Meaning you have to play even more perfect than Akuma or Viper to win at high level and that’s just not good enough.
Yeah, sadly. Hopefully SF4 Dash with give him and a lot of the cast more options.
Can someone start counting how many times someone brings up a sequel to SF4 when so far the game hasn’t proved drastically unbalanced? Not to mention this thread was an Arturo Q&A. =/
Always. =)
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The game isn’t drastically unbalanced, but it isn’t flawless either. There are characters that just have more options than others for no apparent reason. The reason why people keep talking about SF4 Dash is because it is wanted. We want a little more diversity.
Though we are sorta derailing the topic D;
well im not gonna act like dictator is top tier like people did around the start of the game but I still think he’s solid. he’s basically a collection of high priority moves who otherwise has low mixup potential. Like you can zone perfectly and control the game and still get owned but thats just SF4 for you. You cant escape that even if you pick Akuma or Sagat.
I think the reason hes so unpopular is just because hes hard to use. Any character that can’t do wakeup attack -> combo into ultra (and other easy ways of getting bullshit ultra in this game) are going to be eyed a lot more closely by everyone. Case in point: Check out the Bison forum. Everyone is acting like the sky is falling because they dont know how to use the character.
so I think its worth asking HOW the japanese use him because they have the same tools as us but apparently its not that easy to see how bison’s tools are used. If they have a more patient, defensive style i’d like to know more about what that means.
Haha, he better not quit. Dude is my main training buddy.
Yeah he’s hard to use at high level almost exclusively based on the fact that his tools are limited as far as being able to win matches at high level. Same reason why Elena was tough to use. She was easy to pick up and had some solid normals and options but tough to master because her lack of powerful consistent win options. She didn’t have Genei Jin, 2 high priority normals that went into a 2 stock half life super, a million ways to combo into a 3 stock super, half life EX combos (dudley) etc. Which inherently forced her to think and react to the opponent more in order to win. You can only make Elena better after a certain point by just playing the best players and playing them often. Before and after tournaments.
Dictators tools are better for flustering than they are for winning. Winning with Dictator basically asks of you to block a lot when pressure and be tricky with your defensive maneuvers which none of that sets up any real scary offensive. Even Dhalsim technically has a potentially scarier offense than Dictator and he’s just trying to keep you out most of the time. If you lost to Dictator it’s basically because you fell for one too many of his low damage mix ups which gave him a health lead and then he continued to pressure and zone you until you lost. Which can basically be remedied by picking a better character or someone who generally has better options for turning the match around.
Unless Arturo was a Dictator player himself I don’t see him seeing much more than what he’s already told you. The rest of the Japanese Dictators performing as well as they do is just basically going hardbody and playing everyday at the arcade. That alone will suffice for a character that has enough options to put up a fight like Dictator. They’re not going to be doing anything different other than reacting quicker and keeping themselves out of more situations. Which is not something anyone can come from Japan and tell you how to do. You just gotta be playing with nice people and put that together for yourself. Especially with a character as bare as Dictator.
I know exactly what you mean…but I still think he can do well. At high levels of play he probably has to fluster for a small life lead and then hold it for 99 seconds.
BTW Art at this point is it clear that NO ONE goes even with Sagat except for Akuma and Sagat?
We used to think Sim, Viper and Ryu did but high level players have all told us different…
Yeah I’m just more so trying to point out that the whole reason you ask the questions you do is because you don’t realize the reason your Dictator or other US Dictators is not at the level of the Japanese isn’t much more than just the fact that you don’t get to play as much as the Japanese do. You don’t get that large pool of high level competition with different characters and playstyles everyday. That’s pretty much it. Unless you have god given talent the only other way to improve is to be in an environment where you play as hardbody as the Japanese.
Azrael put it best a long time ago when the game first came out in the arcades. He said in Japan especially in the good arcades it feels like you’re going to Evo everyday. Wouldn’t you be more hardcore if you could go to Evo everyday? Tips and tricks ain’t gonna help your character anymore. You gotta get out there and play. Dictator’s tool potential has been tapped…you just have to be better player with Dictator now. React quicker…make less mistakes…adapt to better players. That all comes through play with the better players.
unless you pick a console char on me haha, im like japan status now when it comes to console chars…PRINGLES!! lol. though fortunately NY had a lot of strong players with console chars (sanford comes to mind.) hopefully i dont forget the matchup experience when i get back. im worried my seth is gonna get rusty when i get home!
have to be more specific, i mean, the only other chars that i can think of with vortexes are obviously gief, seth, abel viper and fuerte off the top of my head…and its not like i can go into heavy details since i dont play any of those chars besides seth. i mean gief vortex is mixing up empty jump timings with normal jump to confuse them etc…watch any high level jpn gief match and you should get it, it would take me too long to explain.
as for the money match with daigo ask gootecks…he has the video. its actually online now and has been for 2 1/2 weeks but i cant release the password. i wish it was released already!!
coo when i get situated in osaka ill let u know my dude.
see what deviljin wrote. btw i personally dont think devils reverse is always the best idea since it corners you but im not a dictator player. i mean the last dictator player i played outturtled me, hard to believe but yea…kim plays defensively until he sees a opening and he goes balls out. basically it depends and theres no one straight answer. dictator doesnt really have hella parlor tricks anyway…it comes down to playing the game more and being more solid with their spacing, period. thats how i feel when i play vs japan here and its not something you can explain easily or even see in videos. i even get hit by simple mixups that i feel i should be blocking but when the japanese do it its like fucking unblockable haha. example rog ex overhead over and over im like wtf is he really gonna go for it twice and sure enough he does. i think its mainly cause of the fact that they play h2h and you cant see their buttons or their emotions while playing, they will go balls out with unsafe shit and unsafe dps without fadc etc just because. sorry i went off on a tangent here.
about stomps, they use it the same way that you and andre do, kim was trying to do some crazy stuff with the stomps vs me but couldnt get the setup out, you should ask him for parlor tricks if anything
thursday my dude! shibuya free play thursday! hopefully blackberry recorded vids wont look too crappy.
honestly best advice if youre trying to stay here, get a degree if youre planning to live here for longer than 3 months unlike me, im on a tourist visa so i can only stay here for 3 months max
i dont have a high opinion of fei in sf4, mainly because my chars can zone him out kind of well, but i never played a fei long specialist, so i dont know i could be wrong.
as for gouki, i guess i can answer this well since i played tokido tonight…btw vs me they try to turtle until they knock me down then its rush down city
i think i went like 2-4 or something. the games i lost, were because i either
a) tried to instant overhead tokido like a idiot and got ultra demoned in my recovery - i was trying to find a sweet spot for overhead so that he couldnt demon me and i guess i failed haha
b) got knocked down and got vortexed as usual rofl. i was trying anything to escape the setup besides blocking lol. one time he jumped at me with jump medium kick and i did super and i got away from the vortex haha since it didnt cross me up. a few times i started to block crossup tatsu and i was blocking the jump MK so he did his normal jump divekick at the apex of his jump which looks like demon flip KINDA…and it mindfucked me and i walked forward into it. lol.
the games i won were because prety much, i didnt let him get close to me, punished all demon flip setups with jump mp or jump back headbutt or whatever so i didnt get knocked down into the vortex. its not impossible but its really hard.
oh yeah i played umehara tonight again and it wasnt so even. score was i think 1-4 me or something, he had a 17 game win streak by then and the one game i beat him…he left after that, i hella wanted a runback lol cause he raped my BP.
daigo has a new strat vs sim which i think is pretty good…
he stays out of the range of my stand fierce and jump fierce which makes it hard for me to punish his fireballs. if i mk slide he spaces it well so that he can punish me with sweep. i have to short slide instead or yoga tower. if he gets in on me especially in the corner he will do delayed crouch mp into crouch mp into sweep or whatever to beat my crouch tech. to counter this, i have to try to yoga tower him midscreen and force him to jump so i can b. rh him or stand rh him if im too far. it took me 4 games of losing to figure this out though…which is why i wanted that runback! haha…
btw, reason why i think daigo is playing so much again is because seasons beatings 4 is coming and Daigo is going to ohio…so get hype USA! its good cause i get to play him quite a bit now. Playing at bigbox is like playing at grand finals of evo every fucking day, minus the american hype and shittalk lol.
mago is still playing too so i dont think he quit.
TOKIDO TOLD ME TODAY THAT IYO MAYBE RETIRED FROM SF4!! I HOPE THIS ISNT TRUE OMFG :crybaby:
read what i wrote above. like i said better spacing, better sf presence. i know this is general and ambiguous but thats really waht it boils down to - hard to discover new shit with sagat these days. learn crossup tiger knee into ultra foo!
i honestly really dont know, but i hope i get to play akimo again
btw these trf tourneys as you know have crazy comp but its kind of in a more relaxed environment. i dont spend a lot of money to get there (i can walk to nakano even, its like 20 mins) and it only costs like 100 yen to enter tha tournament…so its no big deal win or lose (of course if i win, ill make a big deal rofl.) i can just try again next week no problem.
not sure
also it depends on how godlike they are. like, daigo has a 83 percent lifetime record with ryu so i dont think he spends that much.
my record is more like 58% after 400 matches played, mostly at bigbox/shinjuku sportsland/trf which isnt terrible by any means but players DO get at me haha. currently fluctuating between 18,000 BP and 20K BP its hard to get points when fighting vs grandmaster players.
oh, btw, not really noteworthy at all but i won a random mikado tourney at takadanobaba tonight. they threw a random tourney and you had to be under 30k BP to join…but these guys really were beginners so im not counting this as a win at all. im happy cause at least i got a sf4 card for 100 yen lol, didnt have to spend 500 yen on a new card haha. but they had a direct feed recording setup with mic, unfortunately it was me perfecting beginners at the game. if anything i wanna try to drag some bigbox players to mikado for recording sf4 matches on dvd cause its like a 2 minute walk…but noone whos good plays there really (at least for 4.) this arcade is GODLIKE though, definitely a good location compared to the old one.
youre always welcome to stay here
no guarantee sf4 dash will be better than original sf4, of course im hoping it will be though.
he aint quitting marn told me today that daigo got at him with dan vs his rufus and rashaan got at his rufus with gen today on irc as well. (casuals tho.) told you him quitting was straight BS.
the way daigo plays, i swear to god, he makes all sagats look FREE except for mago i guess…every time im watching him play a sagat at bigbox hes tearing him up
LOL. Iyo took one look at your Sim and decided to retire.
Shiro might be looking for a new Sim to partner with arturo. 
Hey art,this isnt really japan related, but are you gonna be back in time for FinalRoundXIII?are you planning on going?i met you once at a monthly here in VA at C3 and ever since then ive wanted to play you.
and much appreciation for all the info youre willing to share with us here in the states.
too bad you cant get any seth play…that shit would be too dope.hold that shit!:tup:
Yo Art, can you get in Japan’s ear and let them know Seth doesn’t need any nerfing in Dash? thx
I’m not sure if this is what Sabin is talking about, but I recorded a match with Tokido and a Random Sagat and I believe he was probably doing one variable of this vortex thing that Sabin is talking about… correct me if I’m wrong but check this out.
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and sorry in the video I thought he was the number one Akuma, but yea he was former and Momochi is the number one Akuma now… I hope this vid helps
I just watched my vid again and it seems like Tokido tried to do it a couple of times in the 2nd round and he did a lot i the 3 round however his opponent seemed to fall for it every try so I guess I dont have a good example of someone having to constantly guess what Akuma is going to do next but yea… Tokido has one suck Akuma… hope the vid might give everyone some ideas.
im wondering how the japanese know and register for small tournaments in the US, are those tournaments posted on japanese website or something?