It was pretty much a get out of Jail Free card. It’s very difficult to actually punish it if you execute it perfectly. Ken’s is no where near as safe. Akuma’s teleport can be easily OS’d and punished. No character should be able to get out of the corner that easily. I think Ryu’s normals should also be buffed so that he stands a relatively good chance against the majority of the cast (simply…more frame advantage).
He needs his escape tatsu(a must)…and his mk back from ssf4
Yea I agree his normals need to be better he needs a poke like rose’s, adon’s, and sakura’s st.hk imo.
Not so much if a player knew he would go for copter he can always stop it which is part of the reason why he couldn’t dominate vs gief for example. If that player knew it was coming he can headbutt it.
He either needs that or a damage buff. He just doesn’t take damage.
- Fake fireball with qcb P (with ryu spelling the “hadoken”, not like hdr)
- Hadoken’s faster startup and recovery (V.Sagat’s qcf.P startup and recover, projectile speed the same as E.Ryu’s ones)
- HP DP with 5-6 invincibility frames (80 dmg in first hit and 70 in the second, actually its 100-50, this way FADC into ultra wont be more damaging than it is now)
- Better dash and backdash (could be like E.Ryu’s ones, dunno)
- Anything that improve his upclose game just a bit, but not much (his new cl.HK didnt do much).
Initially I tough about something to help him building meter because he sucks at it, but later I saw that the opponent would block and take more hadokens than now and that would help Ryu building meter.
And Im not totally sure about improving his up close game, I think it could be improved just a very little bit because it sucks right now, but I would not like if he becomes great at zonning AND at rushing down. I was thinking about a rushdown game like 8% better than he actually does, to deal with the dudes that wont be zonned at all. Anyway, its not a must and I could live w/o such a buff, and once his dashs would be better, it’d help him defending from rushers.
They could to remove that crappy Ultra 2 and to add a new one to help Ryu against the anti zonning dudes. Or just to use the extra space in the DVD to put a new taunt, dunno. just remove the U2 from the select screen so I wont pick it by mistake.
This would mainly help him zonning, that is what Ryu is about ( or should be, or what Id like him to be 
).
Un-nerf him.
Give him back his air Tatsu and cr.MK from Super. Revert his damage from f+HP. That’s all he needs.
With Ken getting more options and improved tools every revision, and other characters being able to get out of the corner almost as freely as Ryu used to do, on top of having characters that can pressure, move characters to the corner, or get out of the corner as safely and easily as they do (Yun being an example of all of these), I don’t really want to hear any complaints about “coward” copter being free. So what. Other characters have better stuff. I’d take Ken’s Kara EX coward copter over Ryu’s meterless one anyday.
If Capcom takes an approach to balance everyone to be better instead of nerfing characters, then Ryu could use a small damage increase, OR slightly faster fireballs. There’s just no reason to fear Ryu as he is.
Hopefully they don’t give Guile, Balrog, Honda or Dhalsim their stupid damage output from Super back (other un-nerfs would be fine), and Ryu’s great again.
Make his hadoukens instantly hit the opponent and do about 300 damage. the recovery also should be on them should also be instant. Give him an air fireball. Make his air tatsu make him able to fly. Also damage scaling shouldn’t affect ryu EVER no matter how many hits he does. his hk should wall bounce. AND he should have genei-jin combos.
Give him a sonic boom and a flashkick and a command grab and a dive kick and the ability to cancel his overhead into an uppercut.
Alright seriously, as long as they at least get him back to where he was in super, I may consider actually playing this shitty game.
Air hadouken that scrolls horizontally…slowly, Denjin, wall bounce kick thingy…joudan? Wishlist right?
sigh trolls…
Honestly he wasnt even broken in vanilla. revert him back to that minus the super trap. (I thought that was dumb tho). Keep the two hit and dp trades.
Are you serious? Did you watch Alex Valle vs Daigo at EVO… they went toe to toe throughout the match…it’s pretty much 5-5 vs Yun…some will even argue it’s advantage for Ryu… assuming Yun will be nerfed, which will be an indirect buff for Ryu.
Fei Long is more of a bad match-up for Ryu… Funny you don’t mention that instead…
I believe there are 3 Ryu’s in top 32 at EVO…Ryu is still a solid character…He can have his MK back as in Super but thats it…definitely DON’T revert his air tatsu escape…it’s too good…free escape…give bad match-up for grapplers… makes the game turtlish… etc…
That’s one match up. Do you know that Yang vs Ryu is probably 7 - 3 in Yang’s favor? (According to Air). Makato vs Ryu has apparently turned into most likely 6.5 - 3.5 or 7 - 3 for Makato’s favor. Then there’s THawk, and a vast majority of other matchups that have been become much more difficult. Ryu definitely needs some damage buffs or so. At the moment, he’s low mid or possibly mid mid tier at best. Alex Valle is probably the exception. Think about how many years he has under him, playing SSF4. Also, the only top tier match up for Ryu that is alright would be the Yun - Ryu Matchup, which is either 5.5 in Yun’s favor or even. Characters like Fei murder Ryu in the corner, and characters like Yang make it practically impossible to zone while being rushed down. Ryu definitely needs something to make himself even with Ken (despite the fact that this is a biased opinion).
I remember stating in the ryu ae thread that he has at least 10 bad matchups thanks to the nerfs. Guy, Gief, Rufus, T.hawk, Makoto, Sagat, Fei, Yun, and Yang, and Bison. I used to think viper was too but she still bleeds so it’s not that bad. These are all just my opinions on this.
Yun vs Ryu is more like a 6 - 4 in Yuns favor lol. His normals > Ryus normals.
Guy and Rufus aren’t difficult matchups. They should be 5 - 5 matchups (like, Ryu can stuff Rufus’s divekick with OS jab short strong). Bison’s probably only 5.5 or 6 in his own favor (crouching short and scissor kicks). Yun is 5 or 5.5 in his favor because his normal shoulder is unreliable when going through fireball (has to use a bar for ex shoulder). Also, Ryu can simply space himself and out zone Yun. Also, he can mash that dp whenever he sees an unsafe divekick. Yang is stupid as I’ve said before since you have you throw fireballs as carefully as you throw them around fei long, where you get dp’d instead of counterhit attacked.
Guy and Rufus aren’t difficult matchups. They should be 5 - 5 matchups (like, Ryu can stuff Rufus’s divekick with OS jab short strong). Bison’s probably only 5.5 or 6 in his own favor (crouching short and scissor kicks). Yun is 5 or 5.5 in his favor because his normal shoulder is unreliable when going through fireball (has to use a bar for ex shoulder). Also, Ryu can simply space himself and out zone Yun. Also, he can mash that dp whenever he sees an unsafe divekick. Yang is stupid as I’ve said before since you have you throw fireballs as carefully as you throw them around fei long, where you get dp’d instead of counterhit attacked.
Rufus and Honda are more or less the only two relevant matchups that Ryu still wins now in the tournament scene.
what do you guys think are ryu’s bad matchups?
I personally think Ryu loses to Rose, Adon, Fei Long, Balrog, Bison, Abel, Dhalsim, Yang, and I feel Ryu loses to Deejay it just seems like he has all the tools to beat him. It’s hard to tell since there aren’t many Deejay players let alone good ones. Guile will probably become terrible again since he’s gonna get buffed, rog is gonna become worse cause I think he’s gonna get buffed, and I find Vega hard he’s probably gonna get buffed too so that match up will be hard.
Anyways I’m curious how you guys feel about his bad match ups and what do you think of the Vega and Deejay match?
I’m frankly a bit dead on the rose matchup. Don’t know anything about it. Though, rose’s ultra 2 got significantly nerfed. For adon, Ryu shouldn’t have too much problems since he can just dp adon’s jaguar kicks. Barlog and Bison…are matches where you just sit there and wait, so they shouldn’t be apparently bad. The Fei Long matchup is insane. The only time you can throw fireballs is in full screen or when you are doing cmk fireball. Otherwise, you can get easily counterhit. Fei’s pokes destroy ryu’s and really, you end up dead if you get pressured to the corner. Yang is pretty much the equivalent of Fei, except it’s toned down a little bit (I still consider it a 7-3 or 6.5 - 3.5 in Yang’s favor). Sim has always been a hard matchup, but sim’s apparently become less effective. I think it’s a 6.5 or 6.25 matchup at the moment. No clue about abel, deejay, and vega. Guile will definitely become harder (should be 6-4 or 5.5 - 4.5 in guile’s favor after all these nerfs).
Vega is more or less 50/50.
A good Adon has plenty of ways to bait whiffed DPs. there’s a reason why Alex Valle stopped using Ryu in that matchup. It’s just way too bad.
Rose outfootsies Ryu for free and Ryu also loses the fireball war. Nobrainer there.
Dictator has also been one of ryu’s worst matchups since super since he outfootsies ryu as well. A little easier than in super since they changed his ultra motion. I’d say it’s about 5.5 in dictator’s favor.
Boxer isn’t as bad as most give it credit for if your fireball and anti air fireball game are on point. You’re majorly fucked in the corner if you get there. But as long as you respect the ultra and his charge, you’re okay. I’d say it’s 50/50 or 5.5 in boxer’s favor
Fei Long is 7-3 or 8-2 simply because you get outfootsied for free and at any range your fireball is relevant, you can get rekka’d first.
Dhalsim is still and always will be terrible, if not worse right now since you can’t close the distance w/ air hurricane anymore.
DeeJay is about 6-4 in DeeJay’s favor since the nerfs to low forward. Fireballs are more or less obsolete against him once he gets meter. And his standing normals beat your best pokes.
Abel has also always been a tough match for shotos because he forces you to guess and is more than capable of neutralizing Ryu’s footsie and fireball game. The payoff for Ryu guessing is also nowhere near as big as the payoff for abel. I’d say about 5.5 or 6 in Abel’s favor.
When it comes down to it, Ryu got a few subtle nerfs to some of his best tools. But remember, all his matchups were usually at 6-4 at best for him if not 50/50. You take away a few key tools, then those matchups are going to be pretty different.
Adon, Fei long, Balrog, Dictactor, Dhalsim, Yang, Cammy, Dudley
Personnaly I think Ryu is at a disadvantage in those match up.
In theory vs Adon if you cant DP all his Jaguar kicks Ryu has the upper hand, but in practice its very hard to do.
Dhalsim, Fei long, Yang are really the 3 hardest.
Good match up for Ryu in my opinion vs : Blanka, Dan, T.Hawk, Hakkan, Honda
Viper and Yun are super top tier but Ryu does ok if you know the match up.